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<DIV>Open Space really starts before the event ....</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks Michael for that reminder. I've done OS in many organizations where
open space was a way of being introduced into the culture before events and
sustained beyond them. It's fascinating to see how differently people interact
in OS events within the context of open space cultures. It would be interesting
to have a thread at some point on what an open space organization culture might
be like - if not self-organizing.</DIV>
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<DIV>Jack</DIV>
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<DIV>~~~~~~~~~~</DIV>
<DIV>jack ricchiuto</DIV>
<DIV>two.one.six/three.seven.three/seven.four.seven.five</DIV>
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<DIV>------------Original Message------------</DIV>
<DIV>From: Michaël-SYSt <michael@syst.nl></DIV>
<DIV>To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</DIV>
<DIV>Date: Tue, Apr-12-2005 5:19 PM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: FW: 1st OS in Vietnam</DIV>
<DIV>Dear all,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Harrison wrote: "Lots of people "could have come" but only a certain
number</DIV>
<DIV>really cared (enough) to come." </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Is it only about caring? For some it also the opportunity.</DIV>
<DIV>So it seems to me that Open Space really starts before the event. And
that</DIV>
<DIV>all who care are given the real opportunity to come.</DIV>
<DIV>And to give a place for those who didn't come for some reason. So give
a</DIV>
<DIV>place for those who wanted to come, but could not (for a real
reason}.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>(hoping for a good opportunity to come to a OSONOS in the future, so it's
a</DIV>
<DIV>personal thing too) </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best wishes,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>________________________</DIV>
<DIV>Michaël Molenaar</DIV>
<DIV>Systemisch Consult</DIV>
<DIV>Tilburg - Holland</DIV>
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<DIV>Tel: +31 (0)13 5770070</DIV>
<DIV>GSM +31 (0)6 51561095</DIV>
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<DIV>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----</DIV>
<DIV>Van: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] Namens Harrison
Owen</DIV>
<DIV>Verzonden: dinsdag 12 april 2005 20:36</DIV>
<DIV>Aan: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</DIV>
<DIV>Onderwerp: Re: [OSLIST] FW: 1st OS in Vietnam</DIV>
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<DIV>Masud Wrote: Do we need to use "right" or "appropriate" for people?</DIV>
<DIV>If we say "whatever happened is the only thing that could have
happened"</DIV>
<DIV>(if I remember the words correctly) why can we not also say; "Whoever
came</DIV>
<DIV>are the only people who could have come"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>********************</DIV>
<DIV>I suppose we could -- but that would miss the point, I think. Lots of
people</DIV>
<DIV>"could have come" but only a certain number really cared (enough) to
come.</DIV>
<DIV>And besides, they are the only ones present :-). Their "care" makes them
the</DIV>
<DIV>right/appropriate/present people. And in my book, it is the "caring"
that</DIV>
<DIV>counts. That doesn't make all the other "possibles" bad, evil, immoral,
or</DIV>
<DIV>ugly -- they just didn't care enough to come. Maybe next time????</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Harrison</DIV>
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<DIV>Harrison Owen</DIV>
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<DIV>Sheikh</DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:54 PM</DIV>
<DIV>To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: FW: 1st OS in Vietnam</DIV>
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<DIV>Do we need to use "right" or "appropriate" for people?</DIV>
<DIV>If we say "whatever happened is the only thing that could have
happened"</DIV>
<DIV>(if I remember the words correctly) why can we not also say;</DIV>
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<DIV>"Whoever came are the only people who could have come"</DIV>
<DIV>Masud</DIV>
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<DIV>On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:28:45 -0700, Elwin and Joan
elwinandjoan@yahoo.com></DIV>
<DIV>wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>>--- Harrison Owen <hhowen@comcast.net> wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>>> Idiomatic language is devilishly hard to translate,</DIV>
<DIV>>> and I suspect idiomatic (colloquial) English is the worst
offender.</DIV>
<DIV>>I</DIV>
<DIV>>> opted for "right" = "appropriate." Sounded good to me. What do
you</DIV>
<DIV>>> think?</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>>Harrison,</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>>I think you did the "right" thing! Since 90% of my OST is in
former</DIV>
<DIV>>USSR countries I am constantly asked the same question(s) about
the</DIV>
<DIV>>terms used in the Four Principles. Again, you did the
right...err</DIV>
<DIV>>"appropriate" thing.</DIV>
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<DIV>>Elwin Guild</DIV>
<DIV>>Future Development International</DIV>
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