So what should be done with the archieves now?

Wed Apr 7 07:55:34 PDT 2004

Them is my sentiments, too.
I especially like:
...Open Space has been free. BUT I have always insisted that there is
a COST -- that we share...
That I think is a good chunk of the spirit that I experience on this
list: cooperation, mutual learning, broadening our practice,...
That might leave those lurkers in an awkward corner: relax, your day
will come with your gifts spilling into the discourse.
greetings from Berlin
mmp

On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:06:39 -0400, Harrison Owen wrote:

>I think -- as a matter of fact -- that the situation at the moment re:
>archives is much the same as it has always been. Accessible to those on the
>list -- and of course that means that they have signed in and have a pass
>word. But Michael, or somebody with greater knowledge should answer for the
>technicalities.
>
>My concern, however, comes from a different place, and possibly a broader
>perspective. As I said in a note posted some little time ago, which simply
>re-iterated what I have said ad nausea, Open Space, from the moment I
>created, developed, stumbled into it (fill in the blank) is and has been
>free. BUT I have always insisted that there is a COST -- that we share what
>we are experiencing and learning OPENLY (what else?). This LIST has been and
>continues to be an incredible vehicle for sharing. Increasingly, it has
>become a global resource for anybody who wants to push back the walls of
>their world, ie Open Space. The nature of what we have shared covers a very
>broad spectrum from the perverse to the peevish to the profound -- and
>onwards to the philosophical, with multiple side trips to the technical
>details. In sum, it represents the full spectrum of our collective journey
>in Open Space, as we have chosen to share it. At no point in the history of
>this LIST has it ever been, nor was it intended to be, a private club. We
>have taken great pains, I think, to honor and respect each other, but at the
>end of the day the purpose of OSLIST, or at least my purpose for this LIST
>ever since I signed on -- has not been to provide a safe and secure
>sanctuary in which the members may communicate. Rather, it has been to build
>a body of knowledge and experience which will be available to anybody who
>cares.
>
>Speaking very personally, I can say that the fundamental purpose of my life
>has been to share whatever I am, have experienced, or might know -- with
>anybody who cared, to the extent that my presence, experience or knowledge
>might be helpful. Have I always been true to my ideals? Definitely not, but
>at least in terms of Open Space Technology, and all that I have learned
>about Open Space in my life and world -- I think I have given it my best
>shot. At a very mundane level, this is why I never chose to patent,
>trademark, or copyright Open Space. Certainly my books are copyrighted, but
>that was more a matter of convention, to say nothing of my publishers'
>wishes (after all they were investing the "big bucks" and wanted some sense
>of security). However, if you wander around the websites of the world
>dealing with Open Space you will find large passages of my material, and
>even my illustrations, presented without attribution. I am delighted! I know
>that Open Space is not about me. It is about US -- and that includes a whole
>mess of people who don't even know they are a part of US.
>
>So back to OSLIST. My image (vision?) is that of a wonderful electronic
>fishbowl with real people, opening real space, and reflecting on their
>experience right out there in front of God and everybody. There is, and has
>been, a real sense of intimacy and genuine community which is characteristic
>of every Open Space of which I have been a part. This intimacy and community
>is often manifest in wonderful hugs and kisses. It is also manifest in our
>willingness to confront and engage each other directly and with respect.
>Occasionally we have risen to the heights, and just as often we have found
>time for a little peevishness. In short, there has been chaos, confusion and
>conflict in abundance -- all included and transcended to become a viable,
>organic reality available for all to see. This, so far as I am concerned, is
>life in Open Space. Or to be truthful, it is just life.
>
>I have always assumed that the people who populate OSLIST (including all you
>wonderful Lurkers!) are of a special sort. They really care about Open Space
>(or want to know more about it), and they really care to share what they
>have learned and experienced with whomsoever. Our benefits on OSLIST are
>considerable -- we have received support, encouragement, challenge,
>suggestions, questions -- from which we (or for sure "I") have grown
>enormously. We have cried together, argued, pontificated, blown our minds in
>marvelous and positive ways. And with these benefits comes a responsibility
>to share what we are, and what we have learned with anybody who cares to
>know. That, at least, is my responsibility as I have come to understand it.
>
>Harrison
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Nicolai
>von Ertzdorff
>Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:21 PM
>To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: So what should be done with the archieves now?
>
>Hi,
>I still wonder about the archieves.
>May be, I'm not completely up to date, putting just the same questions, as
>somebody did just before. -  But I still didn't get, why the archieves can
>be found and accessed by google. Or is this just something, which is
>planned? I mean, archieves can be very interesting for a community.
>But the so called "container" , the "skin" , the "whomb" with the "cellular
>compound", the baby inside has to be respected also. To me, it's very
>important, to know about.
>Not, because it bothers me personally. But it's just important, to know
>about who in this is list is feeling like to do what?-I know some archetypes
>of interests, but not much more...but to know, whether finally this becomes
>a "tabu", just represented by having more "lurkers", or whether there is a
>true consensus in the community, to me it's important.-So, finally, I'd like
>to know about the problems quality: Is it a technical problem, or is it a
>decission - problem?
>
>If it is something to be decided,
>where is a statement in favor of why the archieves should be opened to
>anybody, even not being in the list? -To me, It would be, like taking away
>the protecting skin, even if I have not the slightest problem about, for eg,
>making jokes on "W"'s..being found later at somebodies webpage.. But, may
>be, there are some convincing arguments also? Besides, dealing with
>container-images: It's also important, that the "mother" feels good. If the
>mother doesn't feel good, the baby neither won't..But who is who in this
>case ? <grin>
>
>If it is not,
>then, why it's not just possible, to maintain the archieves protected by a
>simple  password, like it's usual in many lists?
>If somebody wants to make for eg a research, he can ask, simply..
>Or, is it some problem, wich the "boisy"-staff is not able to solve,
>actually? And what would be necessary to resolve it?
>
>I'd love to be enabled to get some clear opinion about the issue .-))
>
>With passionate interest in this list
>Nicolai
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