Turtle (way of warrior) - who speaks for wolf?

[Peggy Holman]

The voice of wolf was missing in the council circle.  Without that voice, a
decision was made that led to great difficulty.  Had wolf's voice been heard
from the start, a different result would have occurred.  My sense is there
are a number of voices that we haven't heard from on this list.  One that
stands out for me is the voice that seemse to be reflected in poll numbers
in an overwhelming way.  I'm wondering if someone among us can help us hear
that perspective.

Your point about the specific question is well taken.  Here's what I pulled
from Gallup's page:

GALLUP NEWS SERVICE
http://www.gallup.com/Poll/Releases/Pr010914b.asp

Key Summary Points

* The vast majority of Americans support the general idea of military action
against the groups or nations responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks.
* Support for retaliatory military action has remained at about the 90%
level through the weekend of Sept. 21-22.
*  Given a choice, Americans are somewhat more in favor of a long-term war
to defeat global terrorism networks than focusing on the specific terrorist
groups responsible for the attacks.
*  More than eight out of 10 Americans favor direct military action in
Afghanistan, and more than seven out of 10 favor direct military action in
Iraq.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Herman" <mherman at globalchicago.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: Turtle (way of warrior) - who speaks for wolf?


> i think we have to be careful what we assign that percentage to, peggy.  i
have
> not heard "70-90% favor *going to war*"...what i have heard is "70-90%
favor
> *retaliation against those who have done these terrible acts*" or
something to
> that effect.  very different things.  in such a complex situation, it
seems
> critically important to understand what question is *really* being asked,
> heard, responded to in these polls.
>
> also, not sure i understand your question.  i took 'wolf' in the earlier
> message to be the folks whose space we've moved into in other parts of the
> world.  here you seem to shift the reference to those who would choose
war.
> getting murky for me.  m
>
>
>
> Peggy Holman wrote:
>
> > I keep seeing polls that say something like 70-90% of Americans believe
> > going to war is the right answer.  I haven't heard that voice expressed
> > here.  Can someone speak that perspective from their heart?  And can the
> > rest of us be courageous enough to hold the space open for it?  Who
speaks
> > for wolf?
> >
> > Peggy
> >
> > P.S.  John --  many, many thanks for the powerful posts you have
provided
> > during this time.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Dicus" <jdicus at OURFUTURE.COM>
> > To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 6:17 AM
> > Subject: Turtle (way of warrior)
> >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > I learned from a friend, Paula Underwood, whose Native American name
was
> > > "Turtle Woman," that wisdom lives in the center of the circle.  Turtle
> > > grows in the center while the ways of the four directions cycle about
> > > (warrior, visionary, healer, teacher).  She said to walk the circle
> > > clockwise, hearing from the four voices in the unending sequence of a
> > > learning spiral.  If we become stuck at any one point, she said, we
should
> > > back up a quarter turn before moving on.  So, what does teacher need
to
> > say
> > > before we can go forward from warrior... to vision to healing to....?
In
> > > this spiraling, the way of the turtle (wisdom) grows it's voice as
well.
> > >
> > > If any of you have never seen Paula's works, her teaching book "Who
Speaks
> > > For Wolf" would be a good read right now.  In short, it's about a
people
> > > who decided to move their village to a more fertile area but forgot to
> > hear
> > > the voice of wolf in their council circle.  When they moved, they
moved
> > > smack dab into wolf's territory.  After being harassed by wolves for a
few
> > > months, they decided that either they had to kill all the wolves or
move
> > > back. They decided to move back since the other choice was
unconscionable.
> > > So -- who speaks for wolf?
> > >
> > > John Dicus
> > >
> > > --
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