occidentorient

[Elena A. Marchuk]

Hi Kenoli and All my dear friends and collegues

it is so hard to put all my thoughts in words... even in Russian because it
is still like a question to me - is it people WHO are doing this? so all my
sympathy to all americans and not who believe in peace work altogether,

Raffi's words are very touching, so WHAT we can do? go out in streets? yes,
may be it will help, but what is the next? I don't believe it will help
solving the problem but probably we really can start with this... if we
can...

and HOW to do that there will be no next violence but understanding. I hope
world will find the answer to this question/

I pray for this - even if I'm learning to do this

best to all

elena

----- Original Message -----
From: "kenoli Oleari" <kenoli at IGC.ORG>
To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: occidentorient


> Hi Elena -- Good to hear from you.  So this is the good question:
> How to do this?  What constructive responses have Russians found for
> grief at the hands of others?
>
> The irony is that one response that often follows is to limit our
> freedom in the defense of freedom.    Someone on the radio today
> asked the question: "If we discovered that the terrorist was an
> American, would we bomb the American city (s)he came from>"
>
>   -- Kenoli
>
> >It is not easy - to love ALL people in this situation, but thank you,
Ruth,
> >we need to keep our love and don't do more cruelty then it is already
exist.
> >
> >how to do this? - the only question
> >
> >I learn to pray, and I'm with all my friends, collegues and all americans
in
> >this very hard days
> >
> >take care
> >
> >hope for the best
> >
> >elena
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ruth Karzel" <r.karzel at web.de>
> >To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:17 PM
> >Subject: occidentorient
> >
> >
> >>  Dear all,
> >>
> >>  let me, an OS-apprentice with Michael in Berlin, tell you that I feel
deep
> >grieve for what has happened
> >>
> >>  my first sorrow after the news was, "I hope, I hope that not revenge
will
> >be the main thought in Amerika", because violence is the seed for further
> >violence
> >>
> >>  your voices are moving and comforting me, speaking about love
> >>
> >>  what I thought than was,
> >>  this cruel attack sounds like desperation,
> >>  it might be the result of the seed of violence,
> >>  planted through years and centuries, the result of hurted,
> >>  humiliated souls, and - if it really comes from this
> >>  eastern part of the world - it is the fruit of a century-old
> >>  struggle between Orient and Occident,never resolved since
> >>  the times of the cruisades
> >>  this old lack of respect on the side of Occident
> >>  in front of other civilizations
> >>
> >>  all these sounds theory in this moment, I know,
> >>  but it should not be forgotten because history
> >>  is the backbag of us all (if we want to understand)
> >>
> >>  and so
> >>  your warm voices are so important now
> >>  to help to stop the spiral of hatred, even if it seems difficulty, now
> >(and maybe against certain interests)
> >>
> >>  looking at the example of the irish terrorist and the priest,
> >>  understanding and transformation are possible,
> >>  and the first step to understand is
> >>  to understand ourselves and to admit our own abysses
> >>  and that they take part of ourselves, as you wrote
> >>
> >>  just in this moment writing this the strange thought crossed my head,
that
> >these cruel and desperate murderers did a thing that in reality may be
one
> >face, one expression, the dark side of a whole we are all part of, seeing
> >world like one organism. Perhaps here lies a point to begin to understand
> >the "why???"?
> >>
> >>  and so we are concerned as well, we suffer with you in America
> >>  and feel deep grieve with you
> >>
> >>  warmest blessings
> >>
> >>  Ruth Karzel
> >>  Berlin
> >  >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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