occidentorient

Fri Sep 14 04:35:19 PDT 2001

----- Original Message -----
From: "Elena A. Marchuk" <marco at MAIL.NSK.RU>
To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: occidentorient


> Hi Kenoli and All my dear friends and collegues
>
> it is so hard to put all my thoughts in words... even in Russian because
it
> is still like a question to me - is it people WHO are doing this? so all
my
> sympathy to all americans and .......not who believe.... in peace work
altogether,
>
I put it wrong, read, please

"And to whom, who believe" , = that is a mishandwriting = sorry


> Raffi's words are very touching, so WHAT we can do? go out in streets?
yes,
> may be it will help, but what is the next? I don't believe it will help
> solving the problem but probably we really can start with this... if we
> can...
>
> and HOW to do that there will be no next violence but understanding. I
hope
> world will find the answer to this question/
>
> I pray for this - even if I'm learning to do this
>
> best to all
>
> elena
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kenoli Oleari" <kenoli at IGC.ORG>
> To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:04 PM
> Subject: Re: occidentorient
>
>
> > Hi Elena -- Good to hear from you.  So this is the good question:
> > How to do this?  What constructive responses have Russians found for
> > grief at the hands of others?
> >
> > The irony is that one response that often follows is to limit our
> > freedom in the defense of freedom.    Someone on the radio today
> > asked the question: "If we discovered that the terrorist was an
> > American, would we bomb the American city (s)he came from>"
> >
> >   -- Kenoli
> >
> > >It is not easy - to love ALL people in this situation, but thank you,
> Ruth,
> > >we need to keep our love and don't do more cruelty then it is already
> exist.
> > >
> > >how to do this? - the only question
> > >
> > >I learn to pray, and I'm with all my friends, collegues and all
americans
> in
> > >this very hard days
> > >
> > >take care
> > >
> > >hope for the best
> > >
> > >elena
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Ruth Karzel" <r.karzel at web.de>
> > >To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:17 PM
> > >Subject: occidentorient
> > >
> > >
> > >>  Dear all,
> > >>
> > >>  let me, an OS-apprentice with Michael in Berlin, tell you that I
feel
> deep
> > >grieve for what has happened
> > >>
> > >>  my first sorrow after the news was, "I hope, I hope that not revenge
> will
> > >be the main thought in Amerika", because violence is the seed for
further
> > >violence
> > >>
> > >>  your voices are moving and comforting me, speaking about love
> > >>
> > >>  what I thought than was,
> > >>  this cruel attack sounds like desperation,
> > >>  it might be the result of the seed of violence,
> > >>  planted through years and centuries, the result of hurted,
> > >>  humiliated souls, and - if it really comes from this
> > >>  eastern part of the world - it is the fruit of a century-old
> > >>  struggle between Orient and Occident,never resolved since
> > >>  the times of the cruisades
> > >>  this old lack of respect on the side of Occident
> > >>  in front of other civilizations
> > >>
> > >>  all these sounds theory in this moment, I know,
> > >>  but it should not be forgotten because history
> > >>  is the backbag of us all (if we want to understand)
> > >>
> > >>  and so
> > >>  your warm voices are so important now
> > >>  to help to stop the spiral of hatred, even if it seems difficulty,
now
> > >(and maybe against certain interests)
> > >>
> > >>  looking at the example of the irish terrorist and the priest,
> > >>  understanding and transformation are possible,
> > >>  and the first step to understand is
> > >>  to understand ourselves and to admit our own abysses
> > >>  and that they take part of ourselves, as you wrote
> > >>
> > >>  just in this moment writing this the strange thought crossed my
head,
> that
> > >these cruel and desperate murderers did a thing that in reality may be
> one
> > >face, one expression, the dark side of a whole we are all part of,
seeing
> > >world like one organism. Perhaps here lies a point to begin to
understand
> > >the "why???"?
> > >>
> > >>  and so we are concerned as well, we suffer with you in America
> > >>  and feel deep grieve with you
> > >>
> > >>  warmest blessings
> > >>
> > >>  Ruth Karzel
> > >>  Berlin
> > >  >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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