Truth and conflict

kenoli Oleari kenoli at igc.org
Fri Aug 31 14:55:42 PDT 2001


Joelle -- Absolutely, and well said! -- Kenoli

>Kenoli--
>
>Well, let's hope expansiveness becomes a habit!
>
>I believe that the influence of our own inner states goes beyond simply
>modelling the behavior we wish to encourage--which is a benefit in itself.  I
>believe that our own inner states help to create the energetic environment in
>which others operate as well; I know I can feel a subtle but real difference
>in my own feelings and behavior when someone is wholeheartedly holding space.
>
>Joelle
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>From  Fri Aug 31 22:40:12 2001
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Julie Smith wrote:

> YES!  Thanks for weaving it altogether, Michael.
>
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Herman <mherman at globalchicago.net>
> To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 2:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Reflections on Truth, Systems and Reality.
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> > i agree with your back and forthness, meg.  and agree with julie, too.  i
> think the
> > resolution of the two views is that the back and forthness only exists
> from the
> > descended, embodied, dual place.  upon making the crossing, even the split
> between dual
> > and non-dual experience dissappaers... until we slip back into our
> limited/ing views.
> > this for me is the pain sometimes experienced at the close of an open
> space event, as
> > our sense bigger body (community) slips from sight and we find ourselves
> mostly (or
> > just more) individual again.  this is just what we were talking about in
> that session
> > on letting go of ost in vancouver.
> >
> > m
> >
> >
> >
> > Meg Salter wrote:
> >
> > > And yet the Buddhist recognition is that, ultimately, the sleeping and
> > > awakened state are "non-dual". Not a choice of either-or, but both-and.
> > > So in OS, and as a facilitator of OS, our work is to set the conditions,
> > > hold the container with full presence to allow individuals to catapult
> back
> > > and forth  - to find bridges from the sleeping to the awakened state -
> and
> > > back again.
> > > After all, we are embodied (in-a-body) creatures, and our truth/reality
> is

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