AW: Central Asia

[Meg Salter]

WOW! What a fascinating conversation!

My own experience is that there are "many paths to heaven... or
truth..."including personal work, meditative experience, inter-connection or
group work, service work. (Incidentally, this ties in directly to wilber's 4
Quadrants!) I think it depends in part on your own personality orientation,
e.g. introvert/ extrovert. (either what you naturally orient to, or
un-developed shadow side).

And while I do not agree that it should be so, I can see your point about a
distrust of group in some spiritual circles. I think there is a historical
basis/ bias for this, and sometimes an unfortunate bias for individuals to
to lean on the "knows-all" guru. However, the best of the traditions include
a strong group component, e.g. Christian fellowship, Buddhist sangha,
etc..........

which takes us right back to "the next Buddha will be the collective
statement" from Thich Nhat Hanh!!
for those of you who want to read some of his work, I have enjoyed "Peace is
Every Step", and "Living Buddha, Living Christ".

All in one..... and one in all!!

Meg Salter

MegaSpace Consulting
416/486-6660
meg.salter at sympatico.ca
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----- Original Message -----
From: "kenoli Oleari" <kenoli at igc.org>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: AW: Central Asia


> Laurel --
>
> This interests me.  I think there are two important elements here: 1)
> being connected with our own experience -- which is how I think we
> tune into the oneness that we are all part of -- and 2) recognizing
> (or realizing) our connection with each other and celebrating that --
> a kind of human realization of that oneness.  I think we have to do
> our own work to accomplish the first and to fully enter into the
> second.  I also think that certain qualities of group experience can
> enhance personal and spiritual growth.  There is not a linear
> relationship here.
>
> I have always been concerned with what I see as an unnecessary and
> frustrating division between people with a basically "spiritual"
> orientation and people with a community or "group" orientation.
> Wilbur has talked a lot about the distinctions that arise out of a
> Spiral Dynamic interpretation of various states of development.  I am
> concerned sometimes that some of his work, especially focus on the
> "mean green" furthers this distinction.  Group connections and
> process have been a critical part of my personal and spiritual
> development, along with my person work.  I sense a distrust of
> "group" in many spiritual circles. If feels like an important element
> of human experience is lost when this is missed.
>
> I think "group" can be a spiritual experience.
>
> Kenoli
>
> >Julie wrote:
> >
> >"I think we experience truth when we recognize our connection with each
> >other, and become glad.  Perhaps healing is what happens in the wake of
> >recognizing the truth of our connection with each other.  Maybe that is
the
> >only truth that matters."
> >
> >
> >Thanks, Julie, for jumping in.  Your comment grabbed me by the heart and
> >guts  - and, if it is "true", then in fact, there is only one truth which
> >encompasses the ALL in which we participate.  And that truth, that all is
> >one, can't be known or understood through the intellect, but only through
> >personal mystical or intuitive experience.  (Here I go with the Ken
> >Wilburisms ...) This seems to tie in with the Gaia consciousness
discussion
> >that has been a parallel thread over the last week or two - Harrison and
> >Typhoid Mary notwithstanding!!
> >
> >Great conversation!  Thanks, all (and thanks, ALL)
> >
> >Laurel.
> >
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