[OSList] Where angels fear to tread
Jeff Aitken
r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com
Fri Nov 19 15:04:45 PST 2021
The reason I ask, about Nora getting at something new and different, is
that I know seasoned veterans of Open Space who are very excited about Warm
Data Labs.
Something seems new to them. (I will ask.)
Jeff
On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 11:33 AM Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com> wrote:
> PS Chris - love what you shared. Already thinking of design ideas for that
> badge...
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 10:52 AM Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> To come back around to Nora for a moment: She is exploring how a fresh
>> new hypothesis gets created, one which can be a better fit to a complex
>> situation in a time of crisis.
>>
>> Foundational to a new hypothesis is "the realm of unseen contributors
>> coalescing to produce the foundations of hypothesis."
>>
>> She finds that by intentionally placing different contexts of life side
>> by side in new configurations - literally doing so in the design of warm
>> data labs - the tender shoots of new hypothesis formation are nurtured.
>>
>> My question: Is this a restatement of the notion that "U shaped"
>> processes like Bohm dialogue or Open Space can foster conversation that
>> deepens us beneath our long held assumptions, to explore fresh assumptions?
>> (What some have called transformative learning, and what HHO originally
>> called "crossing the open space"?)
>>
>> Or is Nora getting at something new and different?
>>
>> Nora and colleagues might or might not be versed in the theory and
>> practice of what Peggy documented in The Change Handbook, with 18 and then
>> 60+ different processes.
>>
>> We have kinda danced around this question, and I want to ask it more
>> directly.
>>
>> Warmly
>>
>> Jeff
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>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 9:36 AM Chris Corrigan via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>>> I think I have come to learn that all the work of an Open Space meeting
>>> happens in the invitation, and the more personal and intentional the
>>> better. Recently I had a client work for two months to get 20 very
>>> powerful people in a room to talk about a major issue in the education
>>> system, and the Open Space was only six hours, and my work was really only
>>> 20 minutes of active facilitation. That to me is a mark of great
>>> participation and a high chance for sustainability of the results. Hoping
>>> one day I can coach a client in invitation so well that they don;t even
>>> need a big face to face meeting, or at the very least, they don't need me
>>> there. At that point I will call it "Achieving a Harrison" and award
>>> myself a badge. And then go and take a nap.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 12:15 AM Thomas Herrmann via OSList <
>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I love this way of clarifying how you can look for inviting the whole
>>>> system, Peggy! Thanks for sharing! I will make sure I incorporate it in my
>>>> practice as I think it helps the thinking about how to spread “the
>>>> irresistible invitation”. And I also agree its great to involve as many of
>>>> these stakeholders early in the process, especially as there is often a low
>>>> level of trust between them.
>>>>
>>>> Usually I invite my sponsors quite clearly to not jump up and raise
>>>> their topics but wait and see what happens, I assure them that I will be
>>>> very clear to give space for everyone and not closing the agenda creation
>>>> without very clear last opportunities – so they can rest assured that all
>>>> of their important topics can be posted. So if they miss anything at the
>>>> end, they can add. I agree with others, they are mostly surprised by the
>>>> richness of the agenda created by participants.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One piece I have included in my designs the last years is to have a
>>>> “sync-meeting” some time the last week before the OST, to give them an
>>>> opportunity to share their hopes and fears for the upcoming OST and clarify
>>>> any practicalities they may be wondering about. This is much appreciated
>>>> and givs them more of a feeling of safety and it increases their curiosity,
>>>> openness and peace 😊.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With appreciation for all of the wisdom in this circle
>>>>
>>>> Thomas Herrmann
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> *Ämne:* Re: [OSList] Where angels fear to tread
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>>>>
>>>> Like Michael, I have had the experience of leaders making a list behind
>>>> the scenes and being surprised that participants not only posted everything
>>>> on their list but also things that they hadn’t thought of that turned out
>>>> to matter to them. And, of course, the experience of witnessing the
>>>> passion, interest, and creativity of people often surprises everyone who is
>>>> in an Open Space meeting for the first time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jeff, to your question about requisite variety of topics in an Open
>>>> Space, I see that as a matter of being mindful about invitation. The
>>>> biggest investment of preparation time for the Open Spaces I’m involved
>>>> with are inviting, as Harrison would say, “the people who care.” Whomever
>>>> I’m working with, I encourage them to do the work of thinking through,
>>>> given their purpose, who makes up the system — who are the people who care?
>>>> In many cases, that may include involving a microcosm in shaping the
>>>> organizing question and invitation so that it resonates with the people of
>>>> the system.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I take my cue on how to think about who makes up the system from Marv
>>>> Weisbord and Sandra Janoff’s rubric of inviting the people who “ARE IN” —
>>>> with *A*uthority, *R*esources, *E*xpertise, *I*nformation, and * N*eed.
>>>> I also suggest an overlay for considering demographic diversity. For
>>>> thinking about that, I draw from the Maynard Institute’s “Fault lines” -
>>>> race, class, gender, geography, and generation and two “fissures” -
>>>> politics and religion. Not all dimensions apply to every situation but
>>>> bringing them up enables the people planning the Open Space to make a
>>>> conscious choice about whom they invite and how.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is a long-winded way of saying that my experience is that by doing
>>>> the work to invite a requisite variety of people, a requisite variety of
>>>> topics will show up. And then, to the principle of whoever comes is the
>>>> right people, I let go of worrying about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Birgitt — to words and embodied experience, yes you are saying what I
>>>> meant: *it is not the words used that are most likely to help, rather
>>>> the embodied experience*. For example, describing the experience of
>>>> Open Space and what it produces can be enough for some. For most of us,
>>>> hearing a description or even seeing a video doesn’t come close to being
>>>> there. It is a multi-dimensional experience that involves, head, heart,
>>>> body, spirit. Rarely does this come across in a description. A story might
>>>> communicate more of it. But I’m guessing most people discover some aspect
>>>> they hadn’t expected from just reading, hearing, or watching a video about
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Appreciatively,
>>>>
>>>> Peggy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 17, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
>>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Birgitt,
>>>>
>>>> your two sentences:
>>>>
>>>> "My perspective: following the principles of OST, spirit shows up in
>>>> the moment, inspiring people to post exactly the topics that need to be
>>>> posted at that moment in time. This dynamic is altered when relying on
>>>> anyone to pre-post topics, or to set meta-topics, catering to limitation
>>>> rather than abundance of possibilities."
>>>>
>>>> had some memories come up.
>>>>
>>>> In at least three of the ost events I was involved in it turned out
>>>> that the sponsors prepared a set of "issuse" they felt should be part of
>>>> the event before the event... in case nobody would post them.
>>>> To the surprises of the sponsors all their issues were posted by the
>>>> participants.
>>>> In addition, they themselves experienced that other issues entered
>>>> their mind during the process that they then posted.
>>>> In many other ost events sponors were very surprised about the broad
>>>> passion, interest, creativity, etc. and most of all selforganisation that
>>>> manifested...
>>>>
>>>> For what actually happens when ost is part of the everyday life of an
>>>> organisation over a number of years with a special focus on the vast system
>>>> of that enterprise have a look here
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Practicing-Open-Space-Our-First-Ten-Years-E-Book
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> in English, French, Polish, Spanish and Chinese ... translated from the
>>>> German Original by ost-colleagues all of you know
>>>>
>>>> Cheers from Berlin
>>>> mmp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 17.11.2021 um 21:32 schrieb Birgitt Williams via OSList:
>>>>
>>>> Jeff...thanks for sharing the article and for the discussion that
>>>> emanated from the question you posed to the OS list. I have enjoyed the
>>>> responses and look forward to more conversation showing up. You have added
>>>> more great questions.
>>>> You asked:Do we assume that the passion and responsibility of a
>>>> gathered group will create the requisite variety of topics/contexts to
>>>> generate excellent Warm Data from a theme question, and foster these unseen
>>>> transcontextual sources of systems changing creativity?
>>>> Or does the sponsor need to think up and post the outlying
>>>> topics/contexts to invite that fruitful variety?
>>>> What are the upsides and downsides of having a passionate advocate post
>>>> and host each topic of conversation? What topics don't get posted, and does
>>>> that limit the potential and health of the system?
>>>> My perspective: following the principles of OST, spirit shows up in the
>>>> moment, inspiring people to post exactly the topics that need to be posted
>>>> at that moment in time. This dynamic is altered when relying on anyone to
>>>> pre-post topics, or to set meta-topics, catering to limitation rather than
>>>> abundance of possibilities.
>>>> Peggy...I am intrigued by your sentences "Sometimes more and different
>>>> words can help. More often, it takes an embodied experience." I would like
>>>> to understand more. My current understanding is that it is not the words
>>>> used that are most likely to help, rather the embodied experience. Is this
>>>> what you mean?
>>>> in genuine contact,
>>>> Birgitt
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>>>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 7:31 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>> wrote:
>>>> Now I am considering whether there is a (hopefully) funny joke
>>>> lurking here somewhere.
>>>> The facilitator asked the sponsor, "do you want a book of
>>>> proceedings created from your event?" And the sponsor said "no, I'm
>>>> going for the aphanipoesis, but thanks."
>>>> But seriously folks, do we assume that the passion and
>>>> responsibility of a gathered group will create the requisite variety
>>>> of topics/contexts to generate excellent Warm Data from a theme
>>>> question, and foster these unseen transcontextual sources of systems
>>>> changing creativity?
>>>> Or does the sponsor need to think up and post the outlying
>>>> topics/contexts to invite that fruitful variety?
>>>> What are the upsides and downsides of having a passionate advocate
>>>> post and host each topic of conversation? What topics don't get
>>>> posted, and does that limit the potential and health of the system?
>>>> What can the OST methodology teach the WDL methodology, and vice
>>>> versa?
>>>> Early morning questions,
>>>> Jeff
>>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 5:45 PM Peggy Holman via OSList
>>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>> wrote:
>>>> From what I can glean in Bateson’s article and what I have
>>>> heard about Warm Data, what happens does sound parallel to what
>>>> occurs when people meet in Open Space.
>>>> I find her writing frustrating. But when one is attempting to
>>>> give language to new ideas, it’s rough. The effort falls into a
>>>> pattern she discusses: our tendency to want to relate to the
>>>> ideas through habitual lenses. Sometimes more and different
>>>> words can help. More often, it takes an embodied experience.
>>>> Perhaps a Warm Data Lab?
>>>> I find her insight that we need a word for life coalescing
>>>> towards vitality in unseen ways intriguing. By naming it, I hope
>>>> it will become more seen. Sounds like something we want to
>>>> notice and grow.
>>>> Thanks for sending the article Jeff.
>>>> ________________________________
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>>>>
>>>> On Nov 16, 2021, at 2:48 PM, Chris Corrigan via OSList
>>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for sharing this Jeff. I have known about Nora's work
>>>> for sometime and although I don't fully understand it yet I
>>>> think what I do know of it, it's great.).
>>>>
>>>> WHy does she choose the words she chooses? I think because
>>>> this is how she has come to an understanding about the simple
>>>> truths that Warm Data works with. God know we have some pretty
>>>> funny language amongst us all to explain things like "let
>>>> people look after things they care about." But, Jeff, the
>>>> first piece you posted of hers makes a lot of sense to me and
>>>> is a concise description of Warm Data process, and is very
>>>> helpful to me having an "aha" about it.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 1:37 PM Jeff Aitken via OSList
>>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Also I note that Nora is still very early in the practice
>>>> of a methodology that she invented (I think.)
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it's like the first five-ten years of OST as folks
>>>> were figuring out what the hell this is all about... : )
>>>>
>>>> And from the lens of an artist and family therapy
>>>> researcher whose father was Gregory Bateson. That makes
>>>> sense to me...
>>>>
>>>> Warmly
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 1:21 PM Jeff Aitken
>>>> <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com <mailto:r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com
>>>> <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Birgitt. My first guess is that it serves
>>>> practitioners to be simple, while it serves systems
>>>> scientists to be complicated or complex.
>>>>
>>>> They are writing about living systems at all scales
>>>> and making very subtle distinctions.
>>>>
>>>> It may serve us practitioners to have some
>>>> appreciation for the latter. "Your mileage may vary"
>>>> tho, as a friend says!
>>>>
>>>> Warmly
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 1:10 PM Birgitt Williams
>>>> <birgittwilliams at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:birgittwilliams at gmail.com
>>>> <birgittwilliams at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jeff..I don't understand why it serves to be so
>>>> complicated? Why not simply refer to seen and unseen?
>>>>
>>>> Birgitt
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 3:57 PM Jeff Aitken via
>>>> OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> One more email - I was amiss to mention this
>>>> new theory by Nora, without defining the word
>>>> she is introducing, and she finds occurring in
>>>> Warm Data Lab and I think is true in OST too.
>>>>
>>>> It is "a way to describe a life giving
>>>> process, by which vitality, healing, and
>>>> creativity come into being by the coalescence
>>>> of multiple unseen factors."
>>>>
>>>> "Aphanipoiesis combines two words from ancient
>>>> Greek to describe this way in which life
>>>> coalesces toward vitality in unseen ways.
>>>> (Aphanis comes from a Greek root meaning
>>>> obscured, unseen, unnoticed; poiesis is from
>>>> one meaning to bring forth, to make.)"
>>>>
>>>> Yes it's an academic term, and is presented at
>>>> a systems science conference and in a journal
>>>> article.
>>>>
>>>> Useful for practitioners to think about and to
>>>> notice in our work? That's my question for the
>>>> oslist.
>>>>
>>>> It reminds me of Harrison's definition of
>>>> "peace" in The Practice of Peace. With an
>>>> emphasis on the unseen, internal, very subtle
>>>> shifts that take place that are NOT reflected
>>>> in proceedings and action plans.
>>>>
>>>> Warmly, Jeff.
>>>>
>>>> Reference:
>>>>
>>>> Bateson, N.,(2021). Aphanipoiesis. In Journal
>>>> of the International Society for the Systems
>>>> Sciences, Proceedings of the 64th Annual
>>>> Meeting of the ISSS, Virtual (Vol. 1, №1) —
>>>> under review.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This work was presented at the Annual
>>>> Biosemiotics Conference June 2021, the Annual
>>>> Conference of the International Society of
>>>> Systems Sciences July 2021, and the Annual
>>>> conference of the Institute of General
>>>> Semantics September 2021.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 11:16 PM Jeff Aitken
>>>> <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com
>>>> <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As a refresher or quick intro to the
>>>> process, Warm Data Lab starts with a group
>>>> of folks and a theme question. But the
>>>> topics of conversation are chosen in
>>>> advance by sponsor and facilitator. Each
>>>> breakout table (or area) gets a topic
>>>> written on a sign: which names a context
>>>> from which to address the theme question.
>>>>
>>>> So if the theme is drug abuse, the chosen
>>>> wide variety of contexts might be:
>>>> education, prisons, public health,
>>>> initiation, addiction, pharmaceuticals,
>>>> parenting, ceremony, etc. People go to the
>>>> breakouts of their choice and stay or move
>>>> as they wish. The law of mobility is used.
>>>> A closing circle might end the event after
>>>> some number of hours.
>>>>
>>>> It has some qualities of OST and World
>>>> Cafe while being different.
>>>>
>>>> I've only been in one WDL so other folks
>>>> might improve my description.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 7:22 PM Jeff Aitken
>>>> <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com
>>>> <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Where does systemic change take place?
>>>> I am reflecting on earlier posts about
>>>> the Warm Data Lab and comparing -
>>>> contrasting this work with other
>>>> hosted conversation processes like OST.
>>>>
>>>> What seems different - please correct
>>>> this if it's wrong - is the level of
>>>> attention paid to the complex ways in
>>>> which WDL might help bring about
>>>> change. Looking well beyond action
>>>> plans and carefully harvested
>>>> proceedings etc.
>>>>
>>>> This may be a fruitful area of inquiry
>>>> for OST folks. (The subject line here
>>>> is from a reference in a book by Nora
>>>> Bateson's late father Gregory.)
>>>>
>>>> Nora Bateson just shared a video and
>>>> long essay, coming out prior to her
>>>> essay being published soon in a
>>>> journal. She is introducing a new term
>>>> "aphanipoiesis" to the conversation of
>>>> systemic transformation.
>>>>
>>>> The essay is here:
>>>>
>>>> https://norabateson.medium.com/aphanipoiesis-96d8aed927bc
>>>> <
>>>> https://norabateson.medium.com/aphanipoiesis-96d8aed927bc>
>>>>
>>>> Some teaser paragraphs for us. Can
>>>> this also be said about OST, but we
>>>> just don't??
>>>>
>>>> "Rewilding the Interior
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In the words of the Warm Data hosting
>>>> theory, we tend the “about” so that
>>>> what is re-configured is in the
>>>> “within.” It does not really matter
>>>> what people talk “about” in a Warm
>>>> Data Lab. There is nothing to capture
>>>> at that level. What matters is the way
>>>> the participants are internally sewing
>>>> together the different conversations
>>>> and contexts. On a transcript this
>>>> information is inaccessible.
>>>>
>>>> "In the Warm Data processes,
>>>> communication in explicit form is not
>>>> held to be the communication of
>>>> interest. That level of conversation
>>>> is there as a skeleton, onto which the
>>>> stories not told reshape the person
>>>> who did not tell them, the alterations
>>>> in tone, the re-tilted perception is
>>>> given free rein to rub memories and
>>>> stories against each other. One
>>>> comment that comes up repeatedly is,
>>>> “Your story changed my story.” Through
>>>> this “side-by-side-ing,” stories told
>>>> change stories almost told, and their
>>>> bearers are able to reshape their
>>>> impressions in ways that are untamed.
>>>> By careful tending of the “about” and
>>>> “within,” the rich world of memory and
>>>> story re-wilds.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "The gaps are where the hope of
>>>> systemic transformation is waiting. In
>>>> the Warm Data processes, participants
>>>> are given a structure to re-stitch, to
>>>> re-wild, to begin a new abductive
>>>> process into these gaps. Again, by
>>>> placing the contexts of life
>>>> side-by-side in new configurations,
>>>> the aphanipoietic processes are given
>>>> room, without conscious purpose or
>>>> goals or defined outcomes, without
>>>> scripts or roles or trends — to allow
>>>> the tender new beginnings of another
>>>> abductive description to form mutually.
>>>>
>>>> "Through this work, I have found I
>>>> needed this term to embark on a deeper
>>>> study of the importance of
>>>> aphanipoiesis. The changes I witness
>>>> occurring in the Warm Data processes
>>>> are completely unpredictable and
>>>> profound. They suggest ever more
>>>> vividly that there is a real, if
>>>> unseen, mingling of the body, culture,
>>>> education, family — and a whole batch
>>>> of transcontextual experience that is
>>>> guiding all other actions. It is to
>>>> this change that I have devoted my
>>>> efforts toward systemic transformation."
>>>>
>>>> Warmly,
>>>> Jeff
>>>> Yelamu / San Francisco
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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