[OSList] Where angels fear to tread

Jeff Aitken r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com
Fri Nov 19 10:52:02 PST 2021


To come back around to Nora for a moment: She is exploring how a fresh new
hypothesis gets created, one which can be a better fit to a complex
situation in a time of crisis.

Foundational to a new hypothesis is "the realm of unseen contributors
coalescing to produce the foundations of hypothesis."

She finds that by intentionally placing different contexts of life side by
side in new configurations - literally doing so in the design of warm data
labs - the tender shoots of new hypothesis formation are nurtured.

My question: Is this a restatement of the notion that "U shaped" processes
like Bohm dialogue or Open Space can foster conversation that deepens us
beneath our long held assumptions, to explore fresh assumptions? (What some
have called transformative learning, and what HHO originally called
"crossing the open space"?)

Or is Nora getting at something new and different?

Nora and colleagues might or might not be versed in the theory and practice
of what Peggy documented in The Change Handbook, with 18 and then 60+
different processes.

We have kinda danced around this question, and I want to ask it more
directly.

Warmly

Jeff








On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 9:36 AM Chris Corrigan via OSList <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> I think I have come to learn that all the work of an Open Space meeting
> happens in the invitation, and the more personal and intentional the
> better.  Recently I had a client work for two months to get 20 very
> powerful people in a room to talk about a major issue in the education
> system, and the Open Space was only six hours, and my work was really only
> 20 minutes of active facilitation.  That to me is a mark of great
> participation and a high chance for sustainability of the results.  Hoping
> one day I can coach a client in invitation so well that they don;t even
> need a big face to face meeting, or at the very least, they don't need me
> there.  At that point I will call it "Achieving a Harrison" and award
> myself a badge.  And then go and take a nap.
>
> Chris
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 12:15 AM Thomas Herrmann via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> I love this way of clarifying how you can look for inviting the whole
>> system, Peggy! Thanks for sharing! I will make sure I incorporate it in my
>> practice as I think it helps the thinking about how to spread “the
>> irresistible invitation”. And I also agree its great to involve as many of
>> these stakeholders early in the process, especially as there is often a low
>> level of trust between them.
>>
>> Usually I invite my sponsors quite clearly to not jump up and raise their
>> topics but wait and see what happens, I assure them that I will be very
>> clear to give space for everyone and not closing the agenda creation
>> without very clear last opportunities – so they can rest assured that all
>> of their important topics can be posted. So if they miss anything at the
>> end, they can add. I agree with others, they are mostly surprised by the
>> richness of the agenda created by participants.
>>
>>
>>
>> One piece I have included in my designs the last years is to have a
>> “sync-meeting” some time the last week before the OST, to give them an
>> opportunity to share their hopes and fears for the upcoming OST and clarify
>> any practicalities they may be wondering about. This is much appreciated
>> and givs them more of a feeling of safety and it increases their curiosity,
>> openness and peace 😊.
>>
>>
>>
>> With appreciation for all of the wisdom in this circle
>>
>> Thomas Herrmann
>>
>>
>>
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>> *Ämne:* Re: [OSList] Where angels fear to tread
>>
>>
>>
>> Like Michael, I have had the experience of leaders making a list behind
>> the scenes and being surprised that participants not only posted everything
>> on their list but also things that they hadn’t thought of that turned out
>> to matter to them. And, of course, the experience of witnessing the
>> passion, interest, and creativity of people often surprises everyone who is
>> in an Open Space meeting for the first time.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff, to your question about requisite variety of topics in an Open
>> Space, I see that as a matter of being mindful about invitation. The
>> biggest investment of preparation time for the Open Spaces I’m involved
>> with are inviting, as Harrison would say, “the people who care.” Whomever
>> I’m working with, I encourage them to do the work of thinking through,
>> given their purpose, who makes up the system — who are the people who care?
>> In many cases, that may include involving a microcosm in shaping the
>> organizing question and invitation so that it resonates with the people of
>> the system.
>>
>>
>>
>> I take my cue on how to think about who makes up the system from Marv
>> Weisbord and Sandra Janoff’s rubric of inviting the people who “ARE IN” —
>> with *A*uthority, *R*esources, *E*xpertise, *I*nformation, and * N*eed.
>> I also suggest an overlay for considering demographic diversity. For
>> thinking about that, I draw from the Maynard Institute’s “Fault lines” -
>> race, class, gender, geography, and generation and two “fissures” -
>> politics and religion. Not all dimensions apply to every situation but
>> bringing them up enables the people planning the Open Space to make a
>> conscious choice about whom they invite and how.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a long-winded way of saying that my experience is that by doing
>> the work to invite a requisite variety of people, a requisite variety of
>> topics will show up. And then, to the principle of whoever comes is the
>> right people, I let go of worrying about it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Birgitt — to words and embodied experience, yes you are saying what I
>> meant: *it is not the words used that are most likely to help, rather
>> the embodied experience*. For example, describing the experience of Open
>> Space and what it produces can be enough for some. For most of us, hearing
>> a description or even seeing a video doesn’t come close to being there. It
>> is a multi-dimensional experience that involves, head, heart, body, spirit.
>> Rarely does this come across in a description. A story might communicate
>> more of it. But I’m guessing most people discover some aspect they hadn’t
>> expected from just reading, hearing, or watching a video about it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Appreciatively,
>>
>> Peggy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> On Nov 17, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Birgitt,
>>
>> your two sentences:
>>
>> "My perspective: following the principles of OST, spirit shows up in the
>> moment, inspiring people to post exactly the topics that need to be posted
>> at that moment in time. This dynamic is altered when relying on anyone to
>> pre-post topics, or to set meta-topics, catering to limitation rather than
>> abundance of possibilities."
>>
>> had some memories come up.
>>
>> In at least three of the ost events I was involved in it turned out that
>> the sponsors prepared a set of "issuse" they felt should be part of the
>> event before the event... in case nobody would post them.
>> To the surprises of the sponsors all their issues were posted by the
>> participants.
>> In addition, they themselves experienced that other issues entered their
>> mind during the process that they then posted.
>> In many other ost events sponors were very surprised about the broad
>> passion, interest, creativity, etc. and most of all selforganisation that
>> manifested...
>>
>> For what actually happens when ost is part of the everyday life of an
>> organisation over a number of years with a special focus on the vast system
>> of that enterprise have a look here
>>
>>
>> https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Practicing-Open-Space-Our-First-Ten-Years-E-Book
>>
>>
>> in English, French, Polish, Spanish and Chinese ... translated from the
>> German Original by ost-colleagues all of you know
>>
>> Cheers from Berlin
>> mmp
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 17.11.2021 um 21:32 schrieb Birgitt Williams via OSList:
>>
>> Jeff...thanks for sharing the article and for the discussion that
>> emanated from the question you posed to the OS list. I have enjoyed the
>> responses and look forward to more conversation showing up. You have added
>> more great questions.
>> You asked:Do we assume that the passion and responsibility of a gathered
>> group will create the requisite variety of topics/contexts to generate
>> excellent Warm Data from a theme question, and foster these unseen
>> transcontextual sources of systems changing creativity?
>> Or does the sponsor need to think up and post the outlying
>> topics/contexts to invite that fruitful variety?
>> What are the upsides and downsides of having a passionate advocate post
>> and host each topic of conversation? What topics don't get posted, and does
>> that limit the potential and health of the system?
>> My perspective: following the principles of OST, spirit shows up in the
>> moment, inspiring people to post exactly the topics that need to be posted
>> at that moment in time. This dynamic is altered when relying on anyone to
>> pre-post topics, or to set meta-topics, catering to limitation rather than
>> abundance of possibilities.
>> Peggy...I am intrigued by your sentences "Sometimes more and different
>> words can help. More often, it takes an embodied experience." I would like
>> to understand more. My current understanding is that it is not the words
>> used that are most likely to help, rather the embodied experience. Is this
>> what you mean?
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>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 7:31 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>> wrote:
>>    Now I am considering whether there is a (hopefully) funny joke
>>    lurking here somewhere.
>>    The facilitator asked the sponsor, "do you want a book of
>>    proceedings created from your event?" And the sponsor said "no, I'm
>>    going for the aphanipoesis, but thanks."
>>    But seriously folks, do we assume that the passion and
>>    responsibility of a gathered group will create the requisite variety
>>    of topics/contexts to generate excellent Warm Data from a theme
>>    question, and foster these unseen transcontextual sources of systems
>>    changing creativity?
>>    Or does the sponsor need to think up and post the outlying
>>    topics/contexts to invite that fruitful variety?
>>    What are the upsides and downsides of having a passionate advocate
>>    post and host each topic of conversation? What topics don't get
>>    posted, and does that limit the potential and health of the system?
>>    What can the OST methodology teach the WDL methodology, and vice versa?
>>    Early morning questions,
>>    Jeff
>>    On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 5:45 PM Peggy Holman via OSList
>>    <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>    <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>> wrote:
>>         From what I can glean in Bateson’s article and what I have
>>        heard about Warm Data, what happens does sound parallel to what
>>        occurs when people meet in Open Space.
>>        I find her writing frustrating. But when one is attempting to
>>        give language to new ideas, it’s rough. The effort falls into a
>>        pattern she discusses: our tendency to want to relate to the
>>        ideas through habitual lenses. Sometimes more and different
>>        words can help. More often, it takes an embodied experience.
>>        Perhaps a Warm Data Lab?
>>        I find her insight that we need a word for life coalescing
>>        towards vitality in unseen ways intriguing. By naming it, I hope
>>        it will become more seen. Sounds like something we want to
>>        notice and grow.
>>        Thanks for sending the article Jeff.
>>        ________________________________
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>>        On Nov 16, 2021, at 2:48 PM, Chris Corrigan via OSList
>>        <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>        <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>> wrote:
>>
>>        Thanks for sharing this Jeff. I have known about Nora's work
>>        for sometime and although I don't fully understand it yet I
>>        think what I do know of it, it's great.).
>>
>>        WHy does she choose the words she chooses? I think because
>>        this is how she has come to an understanding about the simple
>>        truths that Warm Data works with. God know we have some pretty
>>        funny language amongst us all to explain things like "let
>>        people look after things they care about."  But, Jeff, the
>>        first piece you posted of hers makes a lot of sense to me and
>>        is a concise description of Warm Data process, and is very
>>        helpful to me having an "aha" about it.
>>
>>        Chris
>>
>>        On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 1:37 PM Jeff Aitken via OSList
>>        <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>        <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>> wrote:
>>
>>            Also I note that Nora is still very early in the practice
>>            of a methodology that she invented (I think.)
>>
>>            Maybe it's like the first five-ten years of OST as folks
>>            were figuring out what the hell this is all about... : )
>>
>>            And from the lens of an artist and family therapy
>>            researcher whose father was Gregory Bateson. That makes
>>            sense to me...
>>
>>            Warmly
>>            Jeff
>>
>>            On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 1:21 PM Jeff Aitken
>>            <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com <mailto:r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com
>> <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>>>
>>            wrote:
>>
>>                Hi Birgitt. My first guess is that it serves
>>                practitioners to be simple, while it serves systems
>>                scientists to be complicated or complex.
>>
>>                They are writing about living systems at all scales
>>                and making very subtle distinctions.
>>
>>                It may serve us practitioners to have some
>>                appreciation for the latter. "Your mileage may vary"
>>                tho, as a friend says!
>>
>>                Warmly
>>                Jeff
>>
>>                On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 1:10 PM Birgitt Williams
>>                <birgittwilliams at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:birgittwilliams at gmail.com
>> <birgittwilliams at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>                    Jeff..I don't understand why it serves to be so
>>                    complicated? Why not simply refer to seen and unseen?
>>
>>                    Birgitt
>>
>>                    On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 3:57 PM Jeff Aitken via
>>                    OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>                    <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>> wrote:
>>
>>                        One more email - I was amiss to mention this
>>                        new theory by Nora, without defining the word
>>                        she is introducing, and she finds occurring in
>>                        Warm Data Lab and I think is true in OST too.
>>
>>                        It is "a way to describe a life giving
>>                        process, by which vitality, healing, and
>>                        creativity come into being by the coalescence
>>                        of multiple unseen factors."
>>
>>                        "Aphanipoiesis combines two words from ancient
>>                        Greek to describe this way in which life
>>                        coalesces toward vitality in unseen ways.
>>                        (Aphanis comes from a Greek root meaning
>>                        obscured, unseen, unnoticed; poiesis is from
>>                        one meaning to bring forth, to make.)"
>>
>>                        Yes it's an academic term, and is presented at
>>                        a systems science conference and in a journal
>>                        article.
>>
>>                        Useful for practitioners to think about and to
>>                        notice in our work? That's my question for the
>>                        oslist.
>>
>>                        It reminds me of Harrison's definition of
>>                        "peace" in The Practice of Peace. With an
>>                        emphasis on the unseen, internal, very subtle
>>                        shifts that take place that are NOT reflected
>>                        in proceedings and action plans.
>>
>>                        Warmly, Jeff.
>>
>>                        Reference:
>>
>>                        Bateson, N.,(2021). Aphanipoiesis. In Journal
>>                        of the International Society for the Systems
>>                        Sciences, Proceedings of the 64th Annual
>>                        Meeting of the ISSS, Virtual (Vol. 1, №1) —
>>                        under review.
>>
>>
>>
>>                        This work was presented at the Annual
>>                        Biosemiotics Conference June 2021, the Annual
>>                        Conference of the International Society of
>>                        Systems Sciences July 2021, and the Annual
>>                        conference of the Institute of General
>>                        Semantics September 2021.
>>
>>
>>                        On Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 11:16 PM Jeff Aitken
>>                        <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com
>>                        <mailto:r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com
>> <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>                            As a refresher or quick intro to the
>>                            process, Warm Data Lab starts with a group
>>                            of folks and a theme question. But the
>>                            topics of conversation are chosen in
>>                            advance by sponsor and facilitator. Each
>>                            breakout table (or area) gets a topic
>>                            written on a sign: which names a context
>>                            from which to address the theme question.
>>
>>                            So if the theme is drug abuse, the chosen
>>                            wide variety of contexts might be:
>>                            education, prisons, public health,
>>                            initiation, addiction, pharmaceuticals,
>>                            parenting, ceremony, etc. People go to the
>>                            breakouts of their choice and stay or move
>>                            as they wish. The law of mobility is used.
>>                            A closing circle might end the event after
>>                            some number of hours.
>>
>>                            It has some qualities of OST and World
>>                            Cafe while being different.
>>
>>                            I've only been in one WDL so other folks
>>                            might improve my description.
>>
>>                            Jeff
>>
>>                            On Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 7:22 PM Jeff Aitken
>>                            <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com
>>                            <mailto:r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com
>> <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>                                Where does systemic change take place?
>>                                I am reflecting on earlier posts about
>>                                the Warm Data Lab and comparing -
>>                                contrasting this work with other
>>                                hosted conversation processes like OST.
>>
>>                                What seems different - please correct
>>                                this if it's wrong - is the level of
>>                                attention paid to the complex ways in
>>                                which WDL might help bring about
>>                                change. Looking well beyond action
>>                                plans and carefully harvested
>>                                proceedings etc.
>>
>>                                This may be a fruitful area of inquiry
>>                                for OST folks. (The subject line here
>>                                is from a reference in a book by Nora
>>                                Bateson's late father Gregory.)
>>
>>                                Nora Bateson just shared a video and
>>                                long essay, coming out prior to her
>>                                essay being published soon in a
>>                                journal. She is introducing a new term
>>                                "aphanipoiesis" to the conversation of
>>                                systemic transformation.
>>
>>                                The essay is here:
>>
>> https://norabateson.medium.com/aphanipoiesis-96d8aed927bc
>>                                <
>> https://norabateson.medium.com/aphanipoiesis-96d8aed927bc>
>>
>>                                Some teaser paragraphs for us. Can
>>                                this also be said about OST, but we
>>                                just don't??
>>
>>                                "Rewilding the Interior
>>
>>
>>                                In the words of the Warm Data hosting
>>                                theory, we tend the “about” so that
>>                                what is re-configured is in the
>>                                “within.” It does not really matter
>>                                what people talk “about” in a Warm
>>                                Data Lab. There is nothing to capture
>>                                at that level. What matters is the way
>>                                the participants are internally sewing
>>                                together the different conversations
>>                                and contexts. On a transcript this
>>                                information is inaccessible.
>>
>>                                "In the Warm Data processes,
>>                                communication in explicit form is not
>>                                held to be the communication of
>>                                interest. That level of conversation
>>                                is there as a skeleton, onto which the
>>                                stories not told reshape the person
>>                                who did not tell them, the alterations
>>                                in tone, the re-tilted perception is
>>                                given free rein to rub memories and
>>                                stories against each other. One
>>                                comment that comes up repeatedly is,
>>                                “Your story changed my story.” Through
>>                                this “side-by-side-ing,” stories told
>>                                change stories almost told, and their
>>                                bearers are able to reshape their
>>                                impressions in ways that are untamed.
>>                                By careful tending of the “about” and
>>                                “within,” the rich world of memory and
>>                                story re-wilds.
>>
>>
>>                                "The gaps are where the hope of
>>                                systemic transformation is waiting. In
>>                                the Warm Data processes, participants
>>                                are given a structure to re-stitch, to
>>                                re-wild, to begin a new abductive
>>                                process into these gaps. Again, by
>>                                placing the contexts of life
>>                                side-by-side in new configurations,
>>                                the aphanipoietic processes are given
>>                                room, without conscious purpose or
>>                                goals or defined outcomes, without
>>                                scripts or roles or trends — to allow
>>                                the tender new beginnings of another
>>                                abductive description to form mutually.
>>
>>                                "Through this work, I have found I
>>                                needed this term to embark on a deeper
>>                                study of the importance of
>>                                aphanipoiesis. The changes I witness
>>                                occurring in the Warm Data processes
>>                                are completely unpredictable and
>>                                profound. They suggest ever more
>>                                vividly that there is a real, if
>>                                unseen, mingling of the body, culture,
>>                                education, family — and a whole batch
>>                                of transcontextual experience that is
>>                                guiding all other actions. It is to
>>                                this change that I have devoted my
>>                                efforts toward systemic transformation."
>>
>>                                Warmly,
>>                                Jeff
>>                                Yelamu / San Francisco
>>
>>
>>
>>
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