[OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 6
Diana Larsen
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Mon May 17 09:28:15 PDT 2021
HI Anne,
It’s been years since we’ve met, (Women’s Leadership OS, West Seattle, 2003?) and I always appreciate your comments here on the list. After HO, you provided one of my earliest roles models for opening and holding space.
Given your ideas below, particularly the final paragraph, I think you, and possibly others on this list, will be interested in the book by Jutta Eckstein and John Buck, Company-wide Agiilty with Beyond Budgeting, Open Space, and Sociocracy: Survive and Thrive on Disruption. Available on its home page https://www.agilebossanova.com <https://www.agilebossanova.com/> and from online book sellers.
Best wishes,
Diana
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> On May 16, 2021, at 3:44 PM, anne stadler via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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> Re classic OS & online OS & holding cf to opening space.
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> Just wanting to dip my paddle in...
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> Hi folks: I guess I’m an “outlier”. To me “classic OS” is simply living the law & the principles all the time.
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> The OST Marketplace is a wonderful form for facilitating large group meetings. It’s based on natural forms used in all cultures (invitation & welcome, bulletin board, marketplace, your individual market stall, your gift initiative, meeting in circles) that signal gathering, community, belonging, and co-creation.
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> There are other forms that do not look like the OST Marketplace, but are opening space. Eg: Appreciative Inquiry uses them SOMETIMES when the Convenors & Facilitator are willing to be open- not attached- to outcomes (thank you, dear Angeles Arrien!). Many really good teachers I know always open learning spaces. StoryBridge opens space via storytelling, improv, & theater performance.
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> Open Space organizations:
> Holocracy IS a form of opening space for self organizing. And there’s at least one other the name of which I am not remembering now. Too bad there isn’t more cross pollination between OST practitioners & the few conscious experiments in self organizing organization!!! By now I would think there should be.
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> Love to all of you darlings! Be daring!
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> Thanks for your insightful posts Michael and Steve.
> I also like the clarification of us creating the space and holding the space.
> Since the pandemic started I have trained hundreds of people in facilitating better online meetings.I find there is much confusion creating different assumptions around online meetings.this goes for ordinary meetings as well as open-space technology used online.
> I often say that online meetings can be at least as impactful as physical meetings.this is partly because there are so many lousy physical meetings And my experience that online meetings can be really live nurturing and efficient. When I facilitate open space technology meetings online I do my best to stay as close as possible to how I facilitate open space in physical environment. This means staying very close to ?the book?, by Harrison Owen (Open space technology, a users guide). Just as when I work physically I put much attention to the pre-work and follow-up.
> I see a risk that OST gets distorted online just as sometimes happens in physical meetings.the risk seems even higher online to me.
> I?d be interested to know more about your meet ups Steve so please share more about what you are up to.
> With appreciation
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> i like this distinction you make about holding and building, steve. i find that working online requires me to be more active than i like in "shaping" the space. i much prefer to set the chairs and be done with the shaping in a physical gathering.
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> i completely agree that online is not the factor that would make for less impact. look at reddit and the impact some there, meeting and talking online, have had on financial markets recently, in the US, anyway. big impact!
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> the thing that's different for me online is transactions cost. it's way easier to click in than to board an airplane or even drive across town to a meeting. and it's easier to leave. it's harder to focus. i think this dilutes passion. it's a drag for everyone. which means it's even more important to be talking about something that's REALLY important. that, to me, is the challenge.
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> and... if that means narrowing the topic, maybe what would previously have been one big os meeting becomes a series of smaller/shorter and more focused sessions. ongoing os, even.
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> in agile terms, i guess what i'm saying is we have to be more focused than ever on desired outcomes, over just producing the familiar outputs.
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> On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 10:38 AM Steve Holyer via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org><mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>> wrote:
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> Thomas wrote, "I am curious about the assumption that online open space has less of an impact than physical open space."
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> It?s a fair assumption I think. In my experience many online meetups of the last year?including online Open Spaces?have been just kinda m?eh. They?ve definitely lacked the impact I wanted.
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> But not all of them had reduced impact. Some online meetups and open spaces had increased impact, and even where impact was lacking we?ve been learning how to create or hold space for more impact next time.
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> I don?t think that holding Open Space online is what creates reduced impact.
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> I believe, it?s the way we think about online meetups (including Open Space) that?s limiting.
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> I still believe we?ve only scratched the surface of what is possible with online Open Space.
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> I?m also more and more convinced that what we are learning about holding space for Open Space online is one key to creating more impact for many different events online?especially when the "meeting" itself is not "open space".
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> I keep finding that the principles of open space are teaching me a lot about facilitating other events online?even when those events are not using OST to engage the outcomes.
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> One thing about online Open Space that?s significantly different to me is that I?m not only "holding space", I?m also "building" space.
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> In the physical open space someone has already built the physical space (and manufactured chairs, and painted the walls etc). As a facilitator I work with the sponsor to find a physical space (where possible) that?s open and inviting and "fits" the invitation they?re making to the open space. But how lucky we were to walk into a space that was already built. We "just" had to put the chairs in a circle. (Note: I?m smiling when I say "just".)
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> I believe online the OS facilitator is part of building the "space" that people will enter virtually before you hold it for them. Key to building online space for impact simplicity, invitation and welcoming emergence are keys building space for impact (like with the facilitator?s script for "opening" the circle).
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> (This is also topical for me. By complete coincidence, I?m hosting a couple of free meetups on this in the next few days ? 6PM for folks in Berlin/Zurich and Noon for folks in NYC. If there?s interest here I can post the links. Can also potentially add a meetup that?s more comfortable for people in timezones to the East of me?where it?s later.)
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> I am curious about the assumption that online open space has less of an impact than physical open space. Any more thoughts around that, anyone?
> Wishing all open spacers a grand weekend
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> Re: virtual open space facilitator
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> Following the earlier request, i have forwarded a choice of faciltators to the sponsor of the event.
> It is an awakening for me to realize the impact covid had on group events and it's future. Sponsors seem to accept the reduced impact as it also reduces the (travelling) cost significantly.
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> Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 09:22:48 +0000
> From: Thomas Herrmann <thomas at openspaceconsulting.com <mailto:thomas at openspaceconsulting.com>>
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> Subject: Re: [OSList] OST and Holacracy
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> Thanks Funda.
> Very inspiring, thanks for sharing. I never really looked into Holocracy, Even if I heard bits many times, but I will now thanks ?
> Thomas
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> H?mta Outlook f?r iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>>
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> Kopia: Funda Oral <fundaoral at gmail.com <mailto:fundaoral at gmail.com>>
> ?mne: [OSList] OST and Holacracy
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> Dear Friends,
>
> I think "Holacracy" points out a "Self Organizing, Interactive, Inspired System" as indicated in Open Space Technology.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJxfJGo-vkI <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJxfJGo-vkI>
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> Any thoughts?
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> I love this conversation!
> Something I've noticed is that (Because of all the things Michael has
> mentioned) presence of SPIRIT seems to me to be more important when doing
> the "building" for an on-line meeting.
> I sense that it's easy for anyone to show up by clicking in "just because"
> because it IS now SO easy to join and to quit.
> I believe that creating the compelling theme that inspires passion that
> participants can imagine that their presence will contribute to making a
> difference of significance relative to this "IMPORTANT" issue.
> I paid $50 to attend an on-line meeting just because of my curiosity - 10
> minutes into it, and I realized I had ZERO passion for the cryptic theme -
> I used my 2 feet thankful that I had not travelled physically.
> Maybe when the ripe preconditions are present (Important/Complex issue -
> Diversity of people - Potential for conflict - Need for resolution
> YESTERDAY) then any space we "build" would be appropriate . . . When the
> Theme is clear, the right people will come, and there's not much a
> facilitator or process could do to squash the passion . . . Cause, if they
> don't like the provided structure, they'll LEAVE and go to a place that is
> more conducive to their mission.
>
> On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 3:47 PM Michael Herman via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
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> > i like this distinction you make about holding and building, steve. i
> > find that working online requires me to be more active than i like in
> > "shaping" the space. i much prefer to set the chairs and be done with the
> > shaping in a physical gathering.
> >
> > i completely agree that online is not the factor that would make for less
> > impact. look at reddit and the impact some there, meeting and talking
> > online, have had on financial markets recently, in the US, anyway. big
> > impact!
> >
> > the thing that's different for me online is transactions cost. it's way
> > easier to click in than to board an airplane or even drive across town to a
> > meeting. and it's easier to leave. it's harder to focus. i think this
> > dilutes passion. it's a drag for everyone. which means it's even more
> > important to be talking about something that's REALLY important. that, to
> > me, is the challenge.
> >
> > and... if that means narrowing the topic, maybe what would previously have
> > been one big os meeting becomes a series of smaller/shorter and more
> > focused sessions. ongoing os, even.
> >
> > in agile terms, i guess what i'm saying is we have to be more focused than
> > ever on desired outcomes, over just producing the familiar outputs.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Michael Herman
> > Michael Herman Associates
> > 312-280-7838 (mobile)
> >
> > MichaelHerman.com
> > OpenSpaceWorld.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 10:38 AM Steve Holyer via OSList <
> > oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
> >
> >> Thomas wrote, "I am curious about the assumption that online open space
> >> has less of an impact than physical open space."
> >>
> >> It?s a fair assumption I think. In my experience many online meetups of
> >> the last year?including online Open Spaces?have been just kinda m?eh.
> >> They?ve definitely lacked the impact I wanted.
> >>
> >> But not all of them had reduced impact. Some online meetups and open
> >> spaces had increased impact, and even where impact was lacking we?ve been
> >> learning how to create or hold space for more impact next time.
> >>
> >> I don?t think that holding Open Space online is what creates reduced
> >> impact.
> >>
> >> I believe, it?s the way we think about online meetups (including Open
> >> Space) that?s limiting.
> >>
> >> I still believe we?ve only scratched the surface of what is possible with
> >> online Open Space.
> >>
> >> I?m also more and more convinced that what we are learning about holding
> >> space for Open Space online is one key to creating more impact for many
> >> different events online?especially when the "meeting" itself is not "open
> >> space".
> >>
> >> I keep finding that the principles of open space are teaching me a lot
> >> about facilitating other events online?even when those events are not using
> >> OST to engage the outcomes.
> >>
> >> One thing about online Open Space that?s significantly different to me is
> >> that I?m not only "holding space", I?m also "building" space.
> >>
> >> In the physical open space someone has already built the physical space
> >> (and manufactured chairs, and painted the walls etc). As a facilitator I
> >> work with the sponsor to find a physical space (where possible) that?s open
> >> and inviting and "fits" the invitation they?re making to the open space.
> >> But how lucky we were to walk into a space that was already built. We
> >> "just" had to put the chairs in a circle. (Note: I?m smiling when I say
> >> "just".)
> >>
> >> I believe online the OS facilitator is part of building the "space" that
> >> people will enter virtually before you hold it for them. Key to building
> >> online space for impact simplicity, invitation and welcoming emergence are
> >> keys building space for impact (like with the facilitator?s script for
> >> "opening" the circle).
> >>
> >> (This is also topical for me. By complete coincidence, I?m hosting a
> >> couple of free meetups on this in the next few days ? 6PM for folks in
> >> Berlin/Zurich and Noon for folks in NYC. If there?s interest here I can
> >> post the links. Can also potentially add a meetup that?s more comfortable
> >> for people in timezones to the East of me?where it?s later.)
> >>
> >> On 15 May 2021, at 9:11, Thomas Herrmann via OSList wrote:
> >>
> >> I am curious about the assumption that online open space has less of an
> >> impact than physical open space. Any more thoughts around that, anyone?
> >> Wishing all open spacers a grand weekend
> >> Thomas
> >>
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> >> Re: virtual open space facilitator
> >>
> >> Following the earlier request, i have forwarded a choice of faciltators
> >> to the sponsor of the event.
> >> It is an awakening for me to realize the impact covid had on group events
> >> and it's future. Sponsors seem to accept the reduced impact as it also
> >> reduces the (travelling) cost significantly.
> >>
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> >> > Dear All, A good friend is possibly looking to host a virtual open
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> >> > virtual experience and is preferably in the UK (maybe Phelim as we were
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> From: Peggy Holman <peggy at peggyholman.com <mailto:peggy at peggyholman.com>>
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> I love this question of can an online meeting be as effective as FtF!
>
> I have two examples where it was MORE effective.
>
> One was a summit launching a collaborative. It would probably have been too expensive to meet in person with a group of 30 so this meeting wouldn?t have happened. If it had, I would have wanted two days for it. I had three hours with the group. The intent was to create a foundation and self-organize the work. They did it. New and deeper connections were formed, both expected and unexpected people took the lead as working groups coalesced around the things the sponsor hoped for and things she hadn?t thought of. They were thrilled.
>
> The second example is from an educator friend who had to move a class she?d taught for years online. Admittedly it wasn?t all classic open space (neither was the summit) but it was imbued with the spirit of open space. Not only did her students tell her that the classes were more meaningful than their other online classes, but the tangible results, as assessed by their papers, was the best she had ever received. In other words, her pedagogy, which incorporated Open Space online, produced more learning and integration of that learning than her in-person version of the class.
>
> That?s a result to study more thoroughly!
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> > On May 16, 2021, at 5:38 AM, Barry Owen via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > I love this conversation!
> > Something I've noticed is that (Because of all the things Michael has mentioned) presence of SPIRIT seems to me to be more important when doing the "building" for an on-line meeting.
> > I sense that it's easy for anyone to show up by clicking in "just because" because it IS now SO easy to join and to quit.
> > I believe that creating the compelling theme that inspires passion that participants can imagine that their presence will contribute to making a difference of significance relative to this "IMPORTANT" issue.
> > I paid $50 to attend an on-line meeting just because of my curiosity - 10 minutes into it, and I realized I had ZERO passion for the cryptic theme - I used my 2 feet thankful that I had not travelled physically.
> > Maybe when the ripe preconditions are present (Important/Complex issue - Diversity of people - Potential for conflict - Need for resolution YESTERDAY) then any space we "build" would be appropriate . . . When the Theme is clear, the right people will come, and there's not much a facilitator or process could do to squash the passion . . . Cause, if they don't like the provided structure, they'll LEAVE and go to a place that is more conducive to their mission.
> >
> >> On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 3:47 PM Michael Herman via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
> >> i like this distinction you make about holding and building, steve. i find that working online requires me to be more active than i like in "shaping" the space. i much prefer to set the chairs and be done with the shaping in a physical gathering.
> >>
> >> i completely agree that online is not the factor that would make for less impact. look at reddit and the impact some there, meeting and talking online, have had on financial markets recently, in the US, anyway. big impact!
> >>
> >> the thing that's different for me online is transactions cost. it's way easier to click in than to board an airplane or even drive across town to a meeting. and it's easier to leave. it's harder to focus. i think this dilutes passion. it's a drag for everyone. which means it's even more important to be talking about something that's REALLY important. that, to me, is the challenge.
> >>
> >> and... if that means narrowing the topic, maybe what would previously have been one big os meeting becomes a series of smaller/shorter and more focused sessions. ongoing os, even.
> >>
> >> in agile terms, i guess what i'm saying is we have to be more focused than ever on desired outcomes, over just producing the familiar outputs.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>> On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 10:38 AM Steve Holyer via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
> >>> Thomas wrote, "I am curious about the assumption that online open space has less of an impact than physical open space."
> >>>
> >>> It?s a fair assumption I think. In my experience many online meetups of the last year?including online Open Spaces?have been just kinda m?eh. They?ve definitely lacked the impact I wanted.
> >>>
> >>> But not all of them had reduced impact. Some online meetups and open spaces had increased impact, and even where impact was lacking we?ve been learning how to create or hold space for more impact next time.
> >>>
> >>> I don?t think that holding Open Space online is what creates reduced impact.
> >>>
> >>> I believe, it?s the way we think about online meetups (including Open Space) that?s limiting.
> >>>
> >>> I still believe we?ve only scratched the surface of what is possible with online Open Space.
> >>>
> >>> I?m also more and more convinced that what we are learning about holding space for Open Space online is one key to creating more impact for many different events online?especially when the "meeting" itself is not "open space".
> >>>
> >>> I keep finding that the principles of open space are teaching me a lot about facilitating other events online?even when those events are not using OST to engage the outcomes.
> >>>
> >>> One thing about online Open Space that?s significantly different to me is that I?m not only "holding space", I?m also "building" space.
> >>>
> >>> In the physical open space someone has already built the physical space (and manufactured chairs, and painted the walls etc). As a facilitator I work with the sponsor to find a physical space (where possible) that?s open and inviting and "fits" the invitation they?re making to the open space. But how lucky we were to walk into a space that was already built. We "just" had to put the chairs in a circle. (Note: I?m smiling when I say "just".)
> >>>
> >>> I believe online the OS facilitator is part of building the "space" that people will enter virtually before you hold it for them. Key to building online space for impact simplicity, invitation and welcoming emergence are keys building space for impact (like with the facilitator?s script for "opening" the circle).
> >>>
> >>> (This is also topical for me. By complete coincidence, I?m hosting a couple of free meetups on this in the next few days ? 6PM for folks in Berlin/Zurich and Noon for folks in NYC. If there?s interest here I can post the links. Can also potentially add a meetup that?s more comfortable for people in timezones to the East of me?where it?s later.)
> >>>
> >>> On 15 May 2021, at 9:11, Thomas Herrmann via OSList wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I am curious about the assumption that online open space has less of an impact than physical open space. Any more thoughts around that, anyone?
> >>> Wishing all open spacers a grand weekend
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> >>> Following the earlier request, i have forwarded a choice of faciltators to the sponsor of the event.
> >>> It is an awakening for me to realize the impact covid had on group events and it's future. Sponsors seem to accept the reduced impact as it also reduces the (travelling) cost significantly.
> >>>
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