[OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 117, Issue 32
anne stadler
anne.m.stad at gmail.com
Sat Jan 30 05:58:03 PST 2021
Re: to Harold: Managing how my OSList is configured
Thank you, dear Harold for your kind attention and education. I think I’ll
just wait for your update, and stick with receiving what the GNUMailMan is
sending to me. I’ve managed so far, grumbling at times. But I realize I’m
not an avid writer so my writing use reflects my desire to participate in
the written exchange: I do scan & read what grabs my attention. I
agree with you & others: maintaining the openness for ALL communications to
be viewed & archived is tremendously important & I appreciate that as one
of highest purposes for our system.
And, very belatedly... we are so blessed by you & your dedication &
persistence in supporting our learning capacity! You are a gem! Sent with
love! Thank you!!!
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> 1. This list serve is antiquated big time (Mark Carmel)
> 2. Re: help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in
> my Mach Mail programme (Michael Herman)
> 3. Re: help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in
> my Mach Mail programme (doug)
> 4. Re: help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in
> my Mach Mail programme (Michael M Pannwitz)
> 5. Re: help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in
> my Mach Mail programme (Thomas Herrmann)
> 6. Re: help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in
> my Mach Mail programme (gerardo de luzenberger)
> 7. Re: This list serve is antiquated big time (Harold Shinsato)
> 8. Re: This list serve is antiquated big time (Rolf F. Katzenberger)
> 9. Re: This list serve is antiquated big time (Birgitt Williams)
> 10. Re: help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in
> my Mach Mail programme (Harold Shinsato)
> 11. Did anyone see what the crooked stock market did today? They
> put the invisible hand of the free market enterprise system
> directly in the cash register. The world is now closed ladies and
> gentlemen and to think Otherwise simply proves that fools and
> their money are soon parted. (Mark Carmel)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 18:15:13 -0700
> From: Mark Carmel <markacarmel at gmail.com>
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time
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> It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform
> started? When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's catch
> up with a workable format. This is in need of a major upgrade. Thanks for
> your consideration,
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> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 18:27:03 -0700
> From: Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com>
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it
> arrives in my Mach Mail programme
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> holding a space big enough for the oslist requires really GIANT naps.
> expect, and celebrate, apparent delays!
>
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
> MichaelHerman.com
> OpenSpaceWorld.org
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 8:30 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Romy, Anne,
> >
> > I don't use, nor do I recommend the "Digest" format. You can change that
> > if you scroll to the bottom of every email from the OSList and manage
> your
> > subscription. You might need to reset your password if you have forgotten
> > it.
> >
> > I know it means less email traffic in your inbox if you receive the
> > "Digest" format, but it makes it really hard for the rest of us to know
> > when you reply what email you are replying to. And the digest format will
> > not be in the nice format like you want. I don't have the capacity to
> write
> > another group email program to fix that.
> >
> > Threads are a feature of your email reading program. I can turn on
> threads
> > for my Thunderbird. By default the GMail app lists things by
> conversations,
> > as do many others. But GMail doesn't do that if you use the GNU MailMan
> > Digest feature - which jams a whole bunch of OSList emails into a single
> > email. And you can't change how MailMan does the jamming.
> >
> > Hope that makes sense. And my profuse apologies for not being an active
> > moderator or manager of the OSList, and that I don't reply quickly to
> > requests. Sometimes I don't even see them. Many many apologies! There is
> a
> > big chunk of work on my plate for the OSList to upgrade us to the latest
> > version which should solve several problems, though I don't think it will
> > solve the "Digest" problem. I'm hoping all of us can self-manage most of
> > the other needs.
> >
> > Harold
> >
> > On 1/26/21 3:14 AM, Romy Shovelton via OSList wrote:
> >
> > Hello Harold,
> >
> > It was SO lovely to see you and be with you at the weekend. The person
> who
> > is behind so much work to keep us all in touch via the OSLIST? and with
> us
> > once again, helping with all sorts of technical magic. Thanks again.
> >
> > I wonder if you might be able to help me with the way that the OSLIST
> > arrives into my Mach Mail programme? As you see below?. I receive this
> list
> > with duplicates of conversations through it + lots of other general
> stuff?
> > making it hard to pick out the thread of a conversation.
> >
> > Suzanne showed me how she receives OSLIST in her gmail account - in
> > wonderfully clear threads, where you can see responses to a particular
> > posting, and not extraneous bla bla. I tried logging into gmail, rather
> > than my Mach Mail programme, and unfortunately did not receive the OSLIST
> > in the way that Suzanne does.
> >
> > Do you have any clues about what I might do?
> >
> > Thanks again SO much
> >
> > Romy
> >
> >
> > *Romy Shovelton*
> >
> > *Executive Director*
> > *Wikima* and the
> > *5* Tyddyn Retreat Mid Wales Venue & Holiday Cottages*
> >
> > www.wikima.com
> > *www.walescottageandvenue.com <http://www.walescottageandvenue.com>*
> > Facebook: Tyddyn Retreat
> > Twitter: @MidWalesRetreat
> > Instagram: tyddynretreat
> >
> > romy.shovelton at gmail.com
> > romy at walescottageandvenue.com
> > romy at wikima.com
> > skype: romy shovelton
> >
> > +44 (0) 7767 370739
> > +44 (0) 1686 420725
> >
> > Tyddyn y Pwll, Carno
> > Caersws, Powys, SY17 5JU
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > *From: *oslist-request at lists.openspacetech.org
> > *Subject: **OSList Digest, Vol 117, Issue 29*
> > *Date: *25 January 2021 at 23:28:45 GMT
> > *To: *oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
> > *Reply-To: *oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
> >
> > Send OSList mailing list submissions to
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> > than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..."
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Being present and listen (K?ri Gunnarsson)
> > 2. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It
> > Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken)
> > 3. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It
> > Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken)
> > 4. Kurs f?r Online Open Space Facilitation (Alexander Schilling)
> >
> >
> > --
> > Harold Shinsato
> > harold at shinsato.com
> > https://shinsato.com
> > twitter: @hajush <http://twitter.com/hajush>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 20:52:21 -0500
> From: doug <ost at footprintsinthewind.com>
> To: oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
> Subject: Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it
> arrives in my Mach Mail programme
> Message-ID:
> <b6f790f2-aa22-0e9a-ab0f-931ac55efc6d at footprintsinthewind.com>
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>
> Hey folks, be kind. This list is managed by one overworked person
> (Harold), and the cost to maintain it is paid by the Open Space
> Institute-USA. They could use your help in the way of donations to pay
> for it, so everyone can use it for free.
>
> :- Doug.
>
>
>
> On 1/27/21 8:27 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
> > holding a space big enough for the oslist requires really GIANT naps.
> > expect, and celebrate, apparent delays!
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Michael Herman
> > Michael Herman Associates
> > 312-280-7838 (mobile)
> >
> > MichaelHerman.com <http://MichaelHerman.com>
> > OpenSpaceWorld.org <http://OpenSpaceWorld.org>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 8:30 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList
> > <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Romy, Anne,
> >
> > I don't use, nor do I recommend the "Digest" format. You can change
> > that if you scroll to the bottom of every email from the OSList and
> > manage your subscription. You might need to reset your password if
> > you have forgotten it.
> >
> > I know it means less email traffic in your inbox if you receive the
> > "Digest" format, but it makes it really hard for the rest of us to
> > know when you reply what email you are replying to. And the digest
> > format will not be in the nice format like you want. I don't have
> > the capacity to write another group email program to fix that.
> >
> > Threads are a feature of your email reading program. I can turn on
> > threads for my Thunderbird. By default the GMail app lists things by
> > conversations, as do many others. But GMail doesn't do that if you
> > use the GNU MailMan Digest feature - which jams a whole bunch of
> > OSList emails into a single email. And you can't change how MailMan
> > does the jamming.
> >
> > Hope that makes sense. And my profuse apologies for not being an
> > active moderator or manager of the OSList, and that I don't reply
> > quickly to requests. Sometimes I don't even see them. Many many
> > apologies! There is a big chunk of work on my plate for the OSList
> > to upgrade us to the latest version which should solve several
> > problems, though I don't think it will solve the "Digest" problem.
> > I'm hoping all of us can self-manage most of the other needs.
> >
> > ??? Harold
> >
> > On 1/26/21 3:14 AM, Romy Shovelton via OSList wrote:
> >> Hello Harold,
> >>
> >> It was SO lovely to see you and be with you at the weekend. The
> >> person who is behind so much work to keep us all in touch via the
> >> OSLIST? and with us once again, helping with all sorts of
> >> technical magic. Thanks again.
> >>
> >> I wonder if you might be able to help me with the way that the
> >> OSLIST arrives into my Mach Mail programme? As you see below?. I
> >> receive this list with duplicates of conversations through it +
> >> lots of other general stuff? making it hard to pick out the thread
> >> of a conversation.
> >>
> >> Suzanne showed me how she receives OSLIST in her gmail account -
> >> in wonderfully clear threads, where you can see responses to a
> >> particular posting, and not extraneous bla bla. I tried logging
> >> into gmail, rather than my Mach Mail programme, and unfortunately
> >> did not receive the OSLIST in the way that Suzanne does.
> >>
> >> Do you have any clues about what I might do?
> >>
> >> Thanks again SO much
> >>
> >> Romy
> >>
> >>
> >> *Romy Shovelton*
> >>
> >> *Executive Director*
> >> *Wikima*?and the *5* Tyddyn Retreat
> >> Mid Wales Venue & Holiday?Cottages*
> >>
> >> www.wikima.com <http://www.wikima.com>
> >> *www.walescottageandvenue.com <http://www.walescottageandvenue.com
> >*
> >> Facebook: Tyddyn Retreat
> >> Twitter: @MidWalesRetreat
> >> Instagram: tyddynretreat
> >>
> >> romy.shovelton at gmail.com <mailto:romy.shovelton at gmail.com>
> >> romy at walescottageandvenue.com <mailto:romy at walescottageandvenue.com
> >
> >> romy at wikima.com <mailto:romy at wikima.com>
> >> skype: romy shovelton
> >>
> >> +44 (0) 7767 370739
> >> +44 (0) 1686 420725
> >>
> >> Tyddyn y Pwll, Carno
> >> Caersws, Powys, SY17 5JU
> >>
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>
> >>> *From: *oslist-request at lists.openspacetech.org
> >>> <mailto:oslist-request at lists.openspacetech.org>
> >>> *Subject: **OSList Digest, Vol 117, Issue 29*
> >>> *Date: *25 January 2021 at 23:28:45 GMT
> >>> *To: *oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
> >>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> >>> *Reply-To: *oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
> >>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> >>>
> >>> Send OSList mailing list submissions to
> >>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >>> oslist-request at lists.openspacetech.org
> >>> <mailto:oslist-request at lists.openspacetech.org>
> >>>
> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >>> oslist-owner at lists.openspacetech.org
> >>> <mailto:oslist-owner at lists.openspacetech.org>
> >>>
> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >>> than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..."
> >>> Today's Topics:
> >>>
> >>> ??1. Being present and listen (K?ri Gunnarsson)
> >>> ??2. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It
> >>> ?????Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken)
> >>> ??3. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It
> >>> ?????Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken)
> >>> ??4. Kurs f?r Online Open Space Facilitation (Alexander Schilling)
> >
> > --
> > Harold Shinsato
> > harold at shinsato.com <mailto:harold at shinsato.com>
> > https://shinsato.com
> > twitter: @hajush <http://twitter.com/hajush>
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>
>
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>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 09:55:49 +0100
> From: Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz at gmail.com>
> To: doug via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>,
> ost at footprintsinthewind.com
> Subject: Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it
> arrives in my Mach Mail programme
> Message-ID: <0ae12479-688b-7f4b-cd49-ea2d2685ea0e at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Dear Doug,
>
> just received my Economic Impact Payment of 600$ signed by the former
> President of the USA.
>
> Well, your email came just in time to send a 100$ donation to the Open
> Space Institute-USA that they can use as they wish and I would love to
> see it go into a retirement fund of our overworked colleague in Montana.
> Here is the PayPal transfer note
>
> "Hallo Michael M Pannwitz!
> PayPal
> Sie haben eine Zahlung ?ber $100,00 USD an Open Space Institute (US)
> (info at osius.org) gesendet"
>
> For those of you who forgot their highschool German:
>
> "Hello Michael M Pannwitz!
> PayPal
> You donated $ 100.00 USD to the Open Space Institute (US)
> (info at osius.org) "
>
> Sending donations to OSI USA is easy, go here
> > https://osius.org/content/about
>
> scroll down a bit and look right.
>
> If 100 of us that received an Economic Impact Payment divert 100 bucks
> to OSI USA the retirement fund for Harold could snap up to 10.100,00
> (tenthousandonehundred) in a jiffy... or for whatever the wise elders at
> OSI USA want to use it.
>
> Greetings from Berlin where I am pondering what to do with the other 500.
> Yes, I can add some to the "Revolving Credit Fund" of the Open Space
> World Map.
> In case anyone of you is not a member of the WorldMap, join (by the way,
> contributing financially to the Map is not a prerequisite for being
> listed in the Map)
> Just go here
> > https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion
>
> Now, having blown the horn for the glorious OSI USA and the very fine
> World Map I expect responses galore. Now.
>
> mmp
>
>
>
> Am 28.01.2021 um 02:52 schrieb doug via OSList:
> > Hey folks, be kind. This list is managed by one overworked person
> > (Harold), and the cost to maintain it is paid by the Open Space
> > Institute-USA. They could use your help in the way of donations to pay
> > for it, so everyone can use it for free.
> >
> > :- Doug.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/27/21 8:27 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
> >> holding a space big enough for the oslist requires really GIANT naps.
> >> expect, and celebrate, apparent delays!
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Michael Herman
> >> Michael Herman Associates
> >> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
>
> --
> Michael M Pannwitz
> Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin
> ++49 - 30-772 8000 mmpannwitz at gmail.com
>
>
> In der Open Space World Map tummeln sich 159 Menschen, die in
> Deutschland, ?sterreich und der Schweiz mit dem open space Verfahren
> arbeiten.
> Weltweit sind es 510 aus 77 L?ndern, die in 142 L?ndern os verbreiten.
> Mal reinschauen: http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/
>
> Bei Westkreuz gibts B?cher/e-B?cher, K?rtchens?tze und Sch?tze auf
> Deutsch und Englisch zu und um open space herum, auch mehrsprachige.
> https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Kommunikation
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 10:36:50 +0000
> From: Thomas Herrmann <thomas at openspaceconsulting.com>
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it
> arrives in my Mach Mail programme
> Message-ID:
> <
> DB9PR07MB72578AE5211D401AB441CBFBD5BA9 at DB9PR07MB7257.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I have created a separate folder for list emails, this stops my inbox from
> being crammed but of makes a risk of not being ?there? present all the time
> ?
> Hugs to you all open spacers
> Thomas
>
> Fr?n: OSList <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org> F?r Harold Shinsato
> via OSList
> Skickat: den 27 januari 2021 16:31
> Till: oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
> Kopia: Harold Shinsato <harold at shinsato.com>
> ?mne: Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives
> in my Mach Mail programme
>
> Hi Romy, Anne,
>
> I don't use, nor do I recommend the "Digest" format. You can change that
> if you scroll to the bottom of every email from the OSList and manage your
> subscription. You might need to reset your password if you have forgotten
> it.
>
> I know it means less email traffic in your inbox if you receive the
> "Digest" format, but it makes it really hard for the rest of us to know
> when you reply what email you are replying to. And the digest format will
> not be in the nice format like you want. I don't have the capacity to write
> another group email program to fix that.
>
> Threads are a feature of your email reading program. I can turn on threads
> for my Thunderbird. By default the GMail app lists things by conversations,
> as do many others. But GMail doesn't do that if you use the GNU MailMan
> Digest feature - which jams a whole bunch of OSList emails into a single
> email. And you can't change how MailMan does the jamming.
>
> Hope that makes sense. And my profuse apologies for not being an active
> moderator or manager of the OSList, and that I don't reply quickly to
> requests. Sometimes I don't even see them. Many many apologies! There is a
> big chunk of work on my plate for the OSList to upgrade us to the latest
> version which should solve several problems, though I don't think it will
> solve the "Digest" problem. I'm hoping all of us can self-manage most of
> the other needs.
>
> Harold
> On 1/26/21 3:14 AM, Romy Shovelton via OSList wrote:
> Hello Harold,
>
> It was SO lovely to see you and be with you at the weekend. The person who
> is behind so much work to keep us all in touch via the OSLIST? and with us
> once again, helping with all sorts of technical magic. Thanks again.
>
> I wonder if you might be able to help me with the way that the OSLIST
> arrives into my Mach Mail programme? As you see below?. I receive this list
> with duplicates of conversations through it + lots of other general stuff?
> making it hard to pick out the thread of a conversation.
>
> Suzanne showed me how she receives OSLIST in her gmail account - in
> wonderfully clear threads, where you can see responses to a particular
> posting, and not extraneous bla bla. I tried logging into gmail, rather
> than my Mach Mail programme, and unfortunately did not receive the OSLIST
> in the way that Suzanne does.
>
> Do you have any clues about what I might do?
>
> Thanks again SO much
>
> Romy
>
>
> Romy Shovelton
>
> Executive Director
> Wikima and the 5* Tyddyn Retreat
> Mid Wales Venue & Holiday Cottages
>
> www.wikima.com<http://www.wikima.com>
> www.walescottageandvenue.com<http://www.walescottageandvenue.com>
> Facebook: Tyddyn Retreat
> Twitter: @MidWalesRetreat
> Instagram: tyddynretreat
>
> romy.shovelton at gmail.com<mailto:romy.shovelton at gmail.com>
> romy at walescottageandvenue.com<mailto:romy at walescottageandvenue.com>
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> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 13:15:14 +0100
> From: gerardo de luzenberger <xdeluz at gmail.com>
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it
> arrives in my Mach Mail programme
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> Michael lucky you - thanks for the invitation.
>
> Dear Doug,
>
> having not received any Economic Impact Payment from the Donald,
> I have donated only 30 dollars.
> Thanks so much for this precious service
> all the best
> ge
>
> Hai inviato 30,09 USD a Open Space Institute (US)
> IL TUO MESSAGGIO PER Open Space Institute (US)
> [image: quote] Thank you for hosting and managing the OSLIST - it's a great
> service you offer to our community
>
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> Il giorno gio 28 gen 2021 alle ore 09:56 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> ha scritto:
>
> > Dear Doug,
> >
> > just received my Economic Impact Payment of 600$ signed by the former
> > President of the USA.
> >
> > Well, your email came just in time to send a 100$ donation to the Open
> > Space Institute-USA that they can use as they wish and I would love to
> > see it go into a retirement fund of our overworked colleague in Montana.
> > Here is the PayPal transfer note
> >
> > "Hallo Michael M Pannwitz!
> > PayPal
> > Sie haben eine Zahlung ?ber $100,00 USD an Open Space Institute (US)
> > (info at osius.org) gesendet"
> >
> > For those of you who forgot their highschool German:
> >
> > "Hello Michael M Pannwitz!
> > PayPal
> > You donated $ 100.00 USD to the Open Space Institute (US)
> > (info at osius.org) "
> >
> > Sending donations to OSI USA is easy, go here
> > > https://osius.org/content/about
> >
> > scroll down a bit and look right.
> >
> > If 100 of us that received an Economic Impact Payment divert 100 bucks
> > to OSI USA the retirement fund for Harold could snap up to 10.100,00
> > (tenthousandonehundred) in a jiffy... or for whatever the wise elders at
> > OSI USA want to use it.
> >
> > Greetings from Berlin where I am pondering what to do with the other 500.
> > Yes, I can add some to the "Revolving Credit Fund" of the Open Space
> > World Map.
> > In case anyone of you is not a member of the WorldMap, join (by the way,
> > contributing financially to the Map is not a prerequisite for being
> > listed in the Map)
> > Just go here
> > > https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion
> >
> > Now, having blown the horn for the glorious OSI USA and the very fine
> > World Map I expect responses galore. Now.
> >
> > mmp
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 28.01.2021 um 02:52 schrieb doug via OSList:
> > > Hey folks, be kind. This list is managed by one overworked person
> > > (Harold), and the cost to maintain it is paid by the Open Space
> > > Institute-USA. They could use your help in the way of donations to pay
> > > for it, so everyone can use it for free.
> > >
> > > :- Doug.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1/27/21 8:27 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
> > >> holding a space big enough for the oslist requires really GIANT naps.
> > >> expect, and celebrate, apparent delays!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> Michael Herman
> > >> Michael Herman Associates
> > >> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
> >
> >
> > --
> > Michael M Pannwitz
> > Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin
> > ++49 - 30-772 8000 mmpannwitz at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > In der Open Space World Map tummeln sich 159 Menschen, die in
> > Deutschland, ?sterreich und der Schweiz mit dem open space Verfahren
> > arbeiten.
> > Weltweit sind es 510 aus 77 L?ndern, die in 142 L?ndern os verbreiten.
> > Mal reinschauen: http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/
> >
> > Bei Westkreuz gibts B?cher/e-B?cher, K?rtchens?tze und Sch?tze auf
> > Deutsch und Englisch zu und um open space herum, auch mehrsprachige.
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 08:24:08 -0700
> From: Harold Shinsato <harold at shinsato.com>
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time
> Message-ID: <2fe4d225-92e2-41d9-425b-a2b8f8770566 at shinsato.com>
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>
> Hi Mark,
>
> The software we use is version 2.1.23 of GNU MailMan, which is an open
> source email distribution list management platform. Our MailMan service
> is provided for free by DreamHost.com, who also provides free webhosting
> service to the Open Space Institute - U.S. DreamHost.com has been a
> great company, and they offer free webhosting to 501(c)(3) non-profits.
>
> I agree that the MailMan needs an major upgrade. An upgrade is not
> something offered by DreamHost, though I can install it on the DreamHost
> servers. But I hope no one thinks we are back in the "stone ages", or
> "when the internet was first invented". I treasure your passion for
> truth, but I don't like being disrespected or dishonored, especially
> with falsehoods. Here are the facts.
>
> 1) The date of the invention of the internet is somewhat fuzzy, but the
> real guy who invented the internet (standing on the shoulders of many
> others) was Vinton Cerf, who designed the TCP/IP protocols in the
> 1970's. TCP/IP was accepted as the ARPANET protocol in 1983.
>
> 2) Version 2.1.23 GNU MailMan is relatively old, released in August
> 2016. The latest 2.x version is 2.1.34 released in June of 2020. But it
> just minor issues. I'd like to update to version 3.3.2 (Nov 6, 2020).
> which has a more modern interface.
>
> 3) We are an EMAIL based system. For most people, it's not going to look
> very different, no matter what system we use. Everyone gets to use their
> own email program. We aren't forcing anyone to use a website, download
> an app to their phones, etc.
>
> 4) There are other closed platforms we could use. (Like GoogleGroups,
> Groups.IO, etc. etc.). These platforms do have their own community
> standards, and they do forbid certain conversations. I don't think that
> is appropriate for the main Open Space online conversation. I hope we
> can stay independent.
>
> Mark - I am valuing your feedback. We do need a major upgrade, for
> multiple reasons beyond your personal experience of the formatting
> (which I have explained how you can fix in an earlier email). But I
> don't think you are being fair or accurate.
>
> ??? Harold
>
> On 1/27/21 6:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
> > It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform
> > started? When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's
> > catch up with a workable format.? This is in need of a major upgrade.
> > Thanks for your consideration,
> > Mark Carmel
> >
>
> --
> Harold Shinsato
> harold at shinsato.com <mailto:harold at shinsato.com>
> https://shinsato.com <https://shinsato.com>
> twitter: @hajush <http://twitter.com/hajush>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 16:33:51 +0100
> From: "Rolf F. Katzenberger" <rolf.katzenberger at gmx.net>
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time
> Message-ID: <a93a4d76-61b7-0d39-4eeb-92db55158cd0 at gmx.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Harold,
>
> Thank you for your efforts and thank you for preferring an open,
> independent standard over a walled garden.
>
> Rolf
>
> --
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> https://pragmatic-teams.com ? https://pragmatic-teams.de
>
> ?Focus on People, Spaces, Time. Workshop Facilitation Reduced to the Max.?
> https://hostingbrains.com
>
> Harold Shinsato via OSList schrieb am 28.01.21 um 16:24:
> > 3) We are an EMAIL based system. For most people, it's not going to
> > look very different, no matter what system we use. Everyone gets to
> > use their own email program. We aren't forcing anyone to use a
> > website, download an app to their phones, etc.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 10:40:28 -0500
> From: Birgitt Williams <birgitt at dalarinternational.com>
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time
> Message-ID:
> <CAKF340gowa7KrXxPYg22gtEJi7sah8==
> mF4P2a6JgG_09GKEvw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Thank you Harold,
> I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list, and the
> independence to the extent possible for us to be in a platform that
> supports us. Thank you for your work on this over many years, and also to
> those who preceded you.
>
> A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to follow
> threads really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of the archives
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org. Every post
> gets
> placed in the archives, the archives are searchable. When something that is
> posted catches my attention, it is easy to go to the archives to see what I
> may have missed in the thread and also simultaneously by topic access what
> has been discussed in relation to the topic over the years.
>
> in genuine contact,
> Birgitt
>
> [image: Picture]
>
>
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> *Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants *
> *Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
> development, and the power of nourishing a culture of leadership.*
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>
>
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> upcoming workshops here.
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>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:24 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > The software we use is version 2.1.23 of GNU MailMan, which is an open
> > source email distribution list management platform. Our MailMan service
> is
> > provided for free by DreamHost.com, who also provides free webhosting
> > service to the Open Space Institute - U.S. DreamHost.com has been a great
> > company, and they offer free webhosting to 501(c)(3) non-profits.
> >
> > I agree that the MailMan needs an major upgrade. An upgrade is not
> > something offered by DreamHost, though I can install it on the DreamHost
> > servers. But I hope no one thinks we are back in the "stone ages", or
> "when
> > the internet was first invented". I treasure your passion for truth, but
> I
> > don't like being disrespected or dishonored, especially with falsehoods.
> > Here are the facts.
> >
> > 1) The date of the invention of the internet is somewhat fuzzy, but the
> > real guy who invented the internet (standing on the shoulders of many
> > others) was Vinton Cerf, who designed the TCP/IP protocols in the 1970's.
> > TCP/IP was accepted as the ARPANET protocol in 1983.
> >
> > 2) Version 2.1.23 GNU MailMan is relatively old, released in August 2016.
> > The latest 2.x version is 2.1.34 released in June of 2020. But it just
> > minor issues. I'd like to update to version 3.3.2 (Nov 6, 2020). which
> has
> > a more modern interface.
> >
> > 3) We are an EMAIL based system. For most people, it's not going to look
> > very different, no matter what system we use. Everyone gets to use their
> > own email program. We aren't forcing anyone to use a website, download an
> > app to their phones, etc.
> >
> > 4) There are other closed platforms we could use. (Like GoogleGroups,
> > Groups.IO, etc. etc.). These platforms do have their own community
> > standards, and they do forbid certain conversations. I don't think that
> is
> > appropriate for the main Open Space online conversation. I hope we can
> stay
> > independent.
> >
> > Mark - I am valuing your feedback. We do need a major upgrade, for
> > multiple reasons beyond your personal experience of the formatting
> (which I
> > have explained how you can fix in an earlier email). But I don't think
> you
> > are being fair or accurate.
> >
> > Harold
> >
> > On 1/27/21 6:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
> >
> > It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform
> > started? When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's catch
> > up with a workable format. This is in need of a major upgrade. Thanks
> for
> > your consideration,
> > Mark Carmel
> >
> >
> > --
> > Harold Shinsato
> > harold at shinsato.com
> > https://shinsato.com
> > twitter: @hajush <http://twitter.com/hajush>
> > _______________________________________________
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> > To unsubscribe send an email to OSList-leave at lists.openspacetech.org
> > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 08:41:48 -0700
> From: Harold Shinsato <harold at shinsato.com>
> To: oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
> Subject: Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it
> arrives in my Mach Mail programme
> Message-ID: <c0618bfa-4cd4-135c-22c6-2fb27ba8eef8 at shinsato.com>
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>
> Thank you for the donation requests and the generous donations that have
> come in!
>
> The Open Space Institute U.S. actually has a decent funding base right
> now. I serve as the treasurer as well as the "webmaster", and the board
> is working on a way to hold space for open space with the funds we have.
>
> I personally will not accept any money for my volunteer work. My rewards
> from being involved with this community have been profuse, powerful and
> profound. I'm grateful for the capacity to support Open Space in this
> way. Even if it's not always smooth. Technology has a way of getting in
> the way sometimes more often than it provides a way. Ideally, this tech
> stuff would all be invisible.
>
> I was happy and grateful to put in the effort to migrate the OSList from
> the LISTSERV platform when it stopped being free back in the spring of
> 2011. It was looking like it would have cost over a $1000 US annual back
> then.
>
> What can you, members of the OSList, do to support us?
>
> I'll ask that at the next board meeting, but I'll speak from my own
> heart and with my own opinion.
>
> Think about the question Harrison Owen proposed in January of 2020 in
> his morning talks to use in New York City when we could still meet in
> person. This question was also the heart of the online Opening Space for
> Peace and High Performance from a few days ago.
>
>
> ?How do we engage 8 billion people in meaningful conversation??
>
> Harrison thrilled us with another question a few days ago at that same
> event. I will paraphrase.
> *
> **What are the critical questions that have no answer?*
>
> ??? Harold
>
>
> ?Open Space Institute U.S.
>
> On 1/28/21 5:15 AM, gerardo de luzenberger via OSList wrote:
> > Michael lucky you - thanks for the invitation.
> >
> > Dear Doug,
> >
> > having not received any Economic Impact Payment from the Donald,
> > I have donated only 30 dollars.
> > Thanks so much for this precious service
> > all the best
> > ge
> >
> > **
> >
> >
> > Il giorno gio 28 gen 2021 alle ore 09:56 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList
> > <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
> > <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> ha scritto:
> >
> > Dear Doug,
> >
> > just received my Economic Impact Payment of 600$ signed by the former
> > President of the USA.
> >
> > Well, your email came just in time to send a 100$ donation to the
> > Open
> > Space Institute-USA that they can use as they wish and I would
> > love to
> > see it go into a retirement fund of our overworked colleague in
> > Montana.
> > Here is the PayPal transfer note
> >
> > "Hallo Michael M Pannwitz!
> > PayPal
> > Sie haben eine Zahlung ?ber $100,00 USD an Open Space Institute (US)
> > (info at osius.org <mailto:info at osius.org>) gesendet"
> >
> >
>
> --
> Harold Shinsato
> harold at shinsato.com <mailto:harold at shinsato.com>
> https://shinsato.com <https://shinsato.com>
> twitter: @hajush <http://twitter.com/hajush>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 13:23:38 -0700
> From: Mark Carmel <markacarmel at gmail.com>
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: [OSList] Did anyone see what the crooked stock market did
> today? They put the invisible hand of the free market enterprise
> system directly in the cash register. The world is now closed
> ladies
> and gentlemen and to think Otherwise simply proves that fools and
> their money are soon parted.
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