[OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

Thu Jan 28 15:48:05 PST 2021

Great job, and big thanks Harold. You’re the only reason the list still
exists in this open, free, independent way.

And just so everyone can notice the scale of the thing, how many messages
have we posted here so far?

Cuz it’s not just about updating or swapping email tools, folks. Harold has
managed this so that we still have and can search every message ever sent
through the list. Amazing!

I know we passed 30000 some time ago but couldn’t guess what the total is
now.  I can’t figure where to look it up anymore. Do you have that number,
Harold?

Thanks, Michael

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 08:40 Birgitt Williams via OSList <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Thank you Harold,
> I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list, and the
> independence to the extent possible for us to be in a platform that
> supports us. Thank you for your work on this over many years, and also to
> those who preceded you.
>
> A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to follow
> threads really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of the archives
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org. Every post
> gets placed in the archives, the archives are searchable. When something
> that is posted catches my attention, it is easy to go to the archives to
> see what I may have missed in the thread and also simultaneously by topic
> access what has been discussed in relation to the topic over the years.
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> in genuine contact,
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> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:24 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> The software we use is version 2.1.23 of GNU MailMan, which is an open
>> source email distribution list management platform. Our MailMan service is
>> provided for free by DreamHost.com, who also provides free webhosting
>> service to the Open Space Institute - U.S. DreamHost.com has been a great
>> company, and they offer free webhosting to 501(c)(3) non-profits.
>>
>> I agree that the MailMan needs an major upgrade. An upgrade is not
>> something offered by DreamHost, though I can install it on the DreamHost
>> servers. But I hope no one thinks we are back in the "stone ages", or "when
>> the internet was first invented". I treasure your passion for truth, but I
>> don't like being disrespected or dishonored, especially with falsehoods.
>> Here are the facts.
>>
>> 1) The date of the invention of the internet is somewhat fuzzy, but the
>> real guy who invented the internet (standing on the shoulders of many
>> others) was Vinton Cerf, who designed the TCP/IP protocols in the 1970's.
>> TCP/IP was accepted as the ARPANET protocol in 1983.
>>
>> 2) Version 2.1.23 GNU MailMan is relatively old, released in August 2016.
>> The latest 2.x version is 2.1.34 released in June of 2020. But it just
>> minor issues. I'd like to update to version 3.3.2 (Nov 6, 2020). which has
>> a more modern interface.
>>
>> 3) We are an EMAIL based system. For most people, it's not going to look
>> very different, no matter what system we use. Everyone gets to use their
>> own email program. We aren't forcing anyone to use a website, download an
>> app to their phones, etc.
>>
>> 4) There are other closed platforms we could use. (Like GoogleGroups,
>> Groups.IO, etc. etc.). These platforms do have their own community
>> standards, and they do forbid certain conversations. I don't think that is
>> appropriate for the main Open Space online conversation. I hope we can stay
>> independent.
>>
>> Mark - I am valuing your feedback. We do need a major upgrade, for
>> multiple reasons beyond your personal experience of the formatting (which I
>> have explained how you can fix in an earlier email). But I don't think you
>> are being fair or accurate.
>>
>>     Harold
>>
>> On 1/27/21 6:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
>>
>> It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform
>> started? When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's catch
>> up with a workable format.  This is in need of a major upgrade. Thanks for
>> your consideration,
>> Mark Carmel
>>
>>
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