[OSList] Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It Ain't Working Brother...

Sun Jan 24 15:26:09 PST 2021

Hi Mark. I appreciate that you express in more detail what you have been
sharing in short phrases. I won't say more right now (busy day) but it may
be a conversation here. Best to you.

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 2:46 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Jeff,
>  Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply to my post ... predicting
> the future, toe the party line, rise to the top, do otherwise you go to the
> bottom... Your reply referred me to the four fold way of leadership to
> ...speak your truth without blame or judgement...  That's a wonderful warm
> and fuzzy thought Jeff but it is not practical and it is not practiced in
> the real world. It is not working. Let's look at the best example of
> leadership right now in the world. That is America and the outcome of an
> election. Let's take a close look at the winners who swept all seats of
> power and have now the total, coveted control and power over the entire
> government with which to lead.   Do the winners speak their truth (now that
> they won) without blame or judgment?  Did the winners speak their truth
> without blame or judgment in order to win?  The answers are very clear
> Jeff. Hell no.  Speaking your truth with a lot of blame and a lot of
> judgment is THE way to gain leadership power and control as we've just
> witnessed. To believe that this is not true is simply naive if one observes
> real world leadership results. The 2nd point the 4 four fold way makes
> regarding the principle of speaking your truth without blame or judgment,
> Is that ...your truth is not THE truth... When you consider how divided
> America is now around who is telling the truth, do you really think that
> the winners of the election believe that their truth is not THE truth
> Jeff?  The four fold way sounds good Jeff, a vision, but not a reality if
> one faces facts about how and why leaders rise to power.  Tow the party
> line folks, said another way is as follows ... Respect and obey your
> leaders and you will rise to the top. Disagree and find faults with your
> leaders, by sharing your four fold way feelings about what is wrong and
> what could be better, and you will go downward. Not my truth, THE truth.
> Leadership loyalty is THE only way to not put yourself .... and others we
> try to bring in the safe space.... into harms way.  The rules have changed.
> And rules is rules.
> MC
>
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>> Mark, you seem to be feeling a lot of distress. Just wanted to say that,
>> and I am glad you are sharing with the open space community. "Speak your
>> truth, without blame or judgement" said Angeles Arrien in the Fourfold
>> Way.
>> I don't know what else to say.
>>
>> Jeff
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>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 9:08 PM Tony Budak via OSList <
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>> > I prefer to tow a parallel line of conversation leading to a change of
>> > culture.
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>> > On 1/21/2021 9:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
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>> > The future is CLEAR
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