[OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"

Koos de Heer koos at auryn.nl
Thu Dec 5 13:57:38 PST 2019


Mark,

 

I have to disagree with you here on three points:

 

“Respect is a two way street.”

No it is not. This is the quid-pro-quo, tit-for-tat mentality that has gotten us into an immense amount of trouble already. I can very well respect a person who does not respect me. I am sure you can too. Now that is something this world needs more of!

 

“The quote disrespects successful people and the need for more of them.”

No it does not. The quote says that it is a certain kind of success that we do not need more of. The quote continues to explain what and why. What we do not need is the kind of success that is measured in amounts of money and prides itself in a large ecological footprint. That is a kind of success this world does not need more of. See my earlier comments on definitions.

 

“I said the quote is ridiculous, not that any person is.”  That is how bullies get away with bullying. “I just said something about the words, not about the person.” (innocent face)

I can only talk for myself, but if I end my emails with a quote that is close to my heart, and someone calls that quote ridiculous, that hurts. And in my book, this is not respectful behavior.

 

Koos

 

Van: Mark Carmel <markacarmel at gmail.com> 
Verzonden: donderdag 5 december 2019 22:25
Aan: koos at auryn.nl
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Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"

 

Koos, I said the quote is ridiculous, not that any person is.  See how simply words and their meaning can be misconstrued?  I agree with you on respect. Respect is a two way street. The quote disrespects successful people and the need for more of them. That is antithetical to our beloved OST.  For OST seeks to liberate its participants unto freedom to pursue their personal passion and responsibility, right?  To do what? Be unsuccessful?  See how ridiculous that assertion is? People yearn To become successful and accomplish their aims and objectives... However that is defined by each person.

 

All the best to you Koos,

MC

 

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 1:45 PM Koos de Heer <koos at auryn.nl <mailto:koos at auryn.nl> > wrote:

Mark,

 

“THE dictionary”? As if there is one truth that supersedes all others? Not very Open Space-like imho.

 

It hurts me to see a quote being called ridiculous, especially if that quote has been said with an ideal, a true passion in mind. So I went looking for the meaning behind that quote and I found a few possible meanings that made good sense to me. When the ridiculing is topped off by saying the person should not be here, it hurts me even more. This feels like bullying and that, my friend, has no place here as far as I am concerned.

 

Let us treat each other with respect. Respect in my definition meaning:

*	Not calling each other ridiculous (or any other ugly name for that matter)
*	Welcoming everyone that wants to be here.

 

Koos

 

 

Van: Mark Carmel <markacarmel at gmail.com <mailto:markacarmel at gmail.com> > 
Verzonden: donderdag 5 december 2019 17:37
Aan: koos at auryn.nl <mailto:koos at auryn.nl> 
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Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"

 

Koos,

 

That IS why we have dictionaries my friend. Operational definitions are KEY in human understanding.  The definition of success I provided is in the dictionary.  

 

Thanks for your feedback.

 

MC

 

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 9:20 AM Koos de Heer <koos at auryn.nl <mailto:koos at auryn.nl> > wrote:

It depends on your definition of success.

 

If you define success as earning a lot of money and using that money to deplete a large part of the earth’s resources, then I can agree with the statement that we don’t need that.

 

If you define success as having a large surviving offspring (and thus spreading your genes in larger numbers than others, the Darwinian definition of success) then I can agree with the statement that we don’t need that because there are already too many of us on this planet.

 

If you define success as realizing your dreams and if your dreams are about a sustainable lifestyle for all, then I think we do need that.

 

So it is all a matter of definitions.

 

Koos

 

 

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Onderwerp: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"

 

The definition of success is:

 The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose. 

 

What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action to pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become successful in their life? 

 

The notion that we should stamp out successful people is idiotic given the sheer numbers - billions of people living without food, water, health care, safety, etc.   

 

There is a dangerous trend now disparaging success.  Anyone who buys into this idea to stifle success are part of the problem and should not be an OST Facilitator....in my humble opinion.  

 

"We need more successful people, not less." - Mark Carmel

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Hello all!!

This may be a teeny tiny bit off topic, but I will try to make it relevant!

I am looking for your reflections, insights, advice, referrals, etc. in
respect to work that I am doing and looking to expand/deepen.

Some of you may know that I have a strong interest in
movement/dance/embodiment, particularly in application to personal growth,
healing/transformation, "mindfulness", and the connections & growth
possible within groups and systems through body wisdom, embodiment
practice, and collective movement.

The awareness and acceptance of the value of the body as both a source of
wisdom and an important modality for emotional processing, healing trauma,
creative expression, group connection, seems to be growing in a number of
arenas, applications, and communities.

I am currently exploring potential areas for expanding my learning and my
practice and gathering information and insights, as well as exploring
within, so that I can choose where to focus my energies.

My questions to this community are: Do you see potential application for
movement/somatics work within any of the communities or organizations where
you work?

If so, can you identify where/how you can imagine the integration of body
and movement into the work that you do or the life/workflow of the people
with whom you work?

I welcome any and all insights and reflections and referrals! I see this
work, the way that I approach it, as truly an invitation to open space
within oneself and within communities through exploration of body and
movement in a way that is liberated from form, function, expectation, or
expertise.

I hope that makes sense! I welcome all questions as well! Thank you in
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Happy Birthday, Harrison! All the best...
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Head of School
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?The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people. But it does desperately need more peacemakers, healers, restorers, storytellers, and lovers of every kind. It needs people who live well in their places. It needs people of moral courage willing to join the fight to make the world more habitable and humane. And these qualities have little to do with success as we have defined it.? - David Orr

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> On Dec 3, 2019, at 10:42 AM, Brendan McKeague via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> > wrote:
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> Hope you?ve had a great day of celebration Harrison - remembering your arrival on the planet (in a ?clay shape?) at just the right time - funny that....
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> Best wishes from the tribe down-under
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> On 3 Dec 2019, at 10:27 pm, JL Walker via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>  <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> >> wrote:
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>> A big, big hug for you HO. Happy birthday my friend.
>>  
>> Juan Luis
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>> De: OSList <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>  <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org> >> En nombre de Harrison Owen via OSList
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>> Asunto: Re: [OSList] Happy birthday Harrison
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>> Made it through another year. Was thinking of moving to Mars? shorter yeara! Thanks everybody!!
>>  
>> ho
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>> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>  <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org> >] On Behalf Of Peggy Holman via OSList
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>> Subject: [OSList] Happy birthday Harrison
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>> Morning all,
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>> It?s that time of year. For most of us, it?s holiday season.
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>> A special day for Open Space Technology is today: Harrison Owen?s birthday. 
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>> Harrison: wishing you a great day and a special year. As disruption of the status quo becomes louder and more prevalent, your gift to the world becomes ever more relevant.
>>  
>> Thanks for being you.
>>  
>> Love,
>> Peggy
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Happy birthday Harrison! Blessings be unto you.

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> On Dec 3, 2019, at 1:40 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> > wrote:
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> ?Morning all,
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> It?s that time of year. For most of us, it?s holiday season.
> 
> A special day for Open Space Technology is today: Harrison Owen?s birthday. 
> 
> Harrison: wishing you a great day and a special year. As disruption of the status quo becomes louder and more prevalent, your gift to the world becomes ever more relevant.
> 
> Thanks for being you.
> 
> Love,
> Peggy
> 
> 
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> Bellevue, WA  98006
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Joyeux anniversaire Harrison !

Wishing you all the best for this coming year.

Christine 

> Le 4 d?c. 2019 ? 01:42, Donnan Stoicovy via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> > a ?crit :
> 
> Happy Birthday, Harrison! All the best...
> ***************************************************
> Donnan Stoicovy
> Head of School
> State College Friends School
> 1900 University Drive 
> State College, PA 16801 
> 814-237-8386
> 
> Board of Director - National Association for Professional Development Schools (NAPDS)
> 
> <image001.png>
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> Board of Director, ClearWater Conservancy
> Millbrook Marsh Advisory Council
> PA Green and Healthy Schools 
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> ?The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people. But it does desperately need more peacemakers, healers, restorers, storytellers, and lovers of every kind. It needs people who live well in their places. It needs people of moral courage willing to join the fight to make the world more habitable and humane. And these qualities have little to do with success as we have defined it.? - David Orr
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>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 10:42 AM, Brendan McKeague via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>  <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> >> wrote:
>> 
>> Hope you?ve had a great day of celebration Harrison - remembering your arrival on the planet (in a ?clay shape?) at just the right time - funny that....
>> 
>> Best wishes from the tribe down-under
>> 
>> Brendan 
>> 
>> 
>> On 3 Dec 2019, at 10:27 pm, JL Walker via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>  <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> >> wrote:
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>>> A big, big hug for you HO. Happy birthday my friend.
>>>  
>>> Juan Luis
>>>  
>>> De: OSList <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>  <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org> >> En nombre de Harrison Owen via OSList
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>>> Para: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>  <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> >>
>>> CC: Harrison Owen <hhowensr at gmail.com <mailto:hhowensr at gmail.com>  <mailto:hhowensr at gmail.com <mailto:hhowensr at gmail.com> >>
>>> Asunto: Re: [OSList] Happy birthday Harrison
>>>  
>>> Made it through another year. Was thinking of moving to Mars? shorter yeara! Thanks everybody!!
>>>  
>>> ho
>>>  
>>> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>  <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org> >] On Behalf Of Peggy Holman via OSList
>>> Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 12:40 PM
>>> To: Open Space Listserv
>>> Cc: Peggy Holman
>>> Subject: [OSList] Happy birthday Harrison
>>>  
>>> Morning all,
>>>  
>>> It?s that time of year. For most of us, it?s holiday season.
>>>  
>>> A special day for Open Space Technology is today: Harrison Owen?s birthday. 
>>>  
>>> Harrison: wishing you a great day and a special year. As disruption of the status quo becomes louder and more prevalent, your gift to the world becomes ever more relevant.
>>>  
>>> Thanks for being you.
>>>  
>>> Love,
>>> Peggy
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> Peggy Holman
>>> Co-founder
>>> Journalism That Matters
>>> 15347 SE 49th Place
>>> Bellevue, WA  98006
>>> 206-948-0432
>>> www.journalismthatmatters.org <http://www.journalismthatmatters.org>  <http://www.journalismthatmatters.org/>
>>> www.peggyholman.com <http://www.peggyholman.com>  <http://www.peggyholman.com/>
>>> Twitter: @peggyholman
>>> JTM Twitter: @JTMStream
>>> 
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>>> 
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 15:49:02 +0100
From: christine koehler <chris.alice.koehler at gmail.com <mailto:chris.alice.koehler at gmail.com> >
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Subject: Re: [OSList] Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening
        space within & without!
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Hi Tricia

What I see around me is :
- a lot of interest from individuals for body work in therapy, but very few engagement for specific work with body only (so there are less and less practitioners also)
- the development  (more and more accepted)  of group constellation work, regarding private topics
- the slow introduction of constellation work or social presenting work in a few professional settings (that are still margins over here)
to sum up : in my org. work,  I don?t work with pioneers enough to see potential applications

all the best
christine 

> Le 3 d?c. 2019 ? 23:06, Tricia Chirumbole via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> > a ?crit :
> 
> Hello all!!
> 
> This may be a teeny tiny bit off topic, but I will try to make it relevant! 
> 
> I am looking for your reflections, insights, advice, referrals, etc. in respect to work that I am doing and looking to expand/deepen. 
> 
> Some of you may know that I have a strong interest in movement/dance/embodiment, particularly in application to personal growth, healing/transformation, "mindfulness", and the connections & growth possible within groups and systems through body wisdom, embodiment practice, and collective movement. 
> 
> The awareness and acceptance of the value of the body as both a source of wisdom and an important modality for emotional processing, healing trauma, creative expression, group connection, seems to be growing in a number of arenas, applications, and communities. 
> 
> I am currently exploring potential areas for expanding my learning and my practice and gathering information and insights, as well as exploring within, so that I can choose where to focus my energies. 
> 
> My questions to this community are: Do you see potential application for movement/somatics work within any of the communities or organizations where you work? 
> 
> If so, can you identify where/how you can imagine the integration of body and movement into the work that you do or the life/workflow of the people with whom you work? 
> 
> I welcome any and all insights and reflections and referrals! I see this work, the way that I approach it, as truly an invitation to open space within oneself and within communities through exploration of body and movement in a way that is liberated from form, function, expectation, or expertise. 
> 
> I hope that makes sense! I welcome all questions as well! Thank you in advance! <3
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 16:44:55 +0000
From: "Marc C. Trudeau" <marctrudeau at alum.wpi.edu <mailto:marctrudeau at alum.wpi.edu> >
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Hi, Tricia!

Your query dovetails nicely with something that came up in passing at WOSonOS, that we (at that event) tended to view ?Proceedings? verbal/written. We had one session captured through Graphic Recording. We observed that gently offering alternative means of expression in Open Space might be useful, such as having resources in the circle?s center to lying about; such as huge boxes of LEGO?, drawing and painting and crafting materials, musical instruments. Perhaps an implicit invitation to movement, dance, and videoing could be incorporated.

For myself, I incorporate movement a lot in workshops. I overuse Constellations, moving to a place to express an opinion or an opinion on a range or scale. I?ve begun to leverage LiberatingStructures.com and similar to inject movement, such as between tables. Many have observed to me that people express things with movement or LEGO? that they?d never express verbally, though having done so, they often find the courage to verbally explain their movement or other creation.

I encourage you in this exploration; it can only help us all!

Marc

> On Dec 3, 2019, at 5:06 PM, Tricia Chirumbole via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> > wrote:
> 
> Hello all!!
> 
> This may be a teeny tiny bit off topic, but I will try to make it relevant! 
> 
> I am looking for your reflections, insights, advice, referrals, etc. in respect to work that I am doing and looking to expand/deepen. 
> 
> Some of you may know that I have a strong interest in movement/dance/embodiment, particularly in application to personal growth, healing/transformation, "mindfulness", and the connections & growth possible within groups and systems through body wisdom, embodiment practice, and collective movement. 
> 
> The awareness and acceptance of the value of the body as both a source of wisdom and an important modality for emotional processing, healing trauma, creative expression, group connection, seems to be growing in a number of arenas, applications, and communities. 
> 
> I am currently exploring potential areas for expanding my learning and my practice and gathering information and insights, as well as exploring within, so that I can choose where to focus my energies. 
> 
> My questions to this community are: Do you see potential application for movement/somatics work within any of the communities or organizations where you work? 
> 
> If so, can you identify where/how you can imagine the integration of body and movement into the work that you do or the life/workflow of the people with whom you work? 
> 
> I welcome any and all insights and reflections and referrals! I see this work, the way that I approach it, as truly an invitation to open space within oneself and within communities through exploration of body and movement in a way that is liberated from form, function, expectation, or expertise. 
> 
> I hope that makes sense! I welcome all questions as well! Thank you in advance! <3
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 11:53:55 -0500
From: Tricia Chirumbole <trchirumbole at gmail.com <mailto:trchirumbole at gmail.com> >
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Yes! thank you so far to Christine and Marc! You both provided very useful
information and insights!

Christine, what you are saying is confirming my impulse and perhaps true
desire, which is to incorporate movement and somatics with other elements
and modalities. I have considered going back to train as a therapist or do
trauma-informed work, however, I believe I am more called to continue
developing organization coaching and group/systems work and I think many of
these embodiment and movement practices can fit quite nicely with other
elements that may be more dialogic.

And Yes Marc! Thank you for sharing your practices and reflections!
Honestly I am all about all of the expressive arts and both personally and
in my work and in my community. I regularly observe both the reticence and
challenge some people have in stepping in, as well as the liberation and
varied sort of expression and connection that can result!

This is all very helpful:)

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 11:45 AM Marc C. Trudeau via OSList <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> > wrote:

> Hi, Tricia!
>
> Your query dovetails nicely with something that came up in passing at
> WOSonOS, that we (at that event) tended to view ?Proceedings?
> verbal/written. We had one session captured through Graphic Recording. We
> observed that gently offering alternative means of expression in Open Space
> might be useful, such as having resources in the circle?s center to lying
> about; such as huge boxes of LEGO?, drawing and painting and crafting
> materials, musical instruments. Perhaps an implicit invitation to movement,
> dance, and videoing could be incorporated.
>
> For myself, I incorporate movement a lot in workshops. I overuse
> Constellations, moving to a place to express an opinion or an opinion on a
> range or scale. I?ve begun to leverage LiberatingStructures.com and similar
> to inject movement, such as between tables. Many have observed to me that
> people express things with movement or LEGO? that they?d never express
> verbally, though having done so, they often find the courage to verbally
> explain their movement or other creation.
>
> I encourage you in this exploration; it can only help us all!
>
> Marc
>
> > On Dec 3, 2019, at 5:06 PM, Tricia Chirumbole via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> > wrote:
> >
> > Hello all!!
> >
> > This may be a teeny tiny bit off topic, but I will try to make it
> relevant!
> >
> > I am looking for your reflections, insights, advice, referrals, etc. in
> respect to work that I am doing and looking to expand/deepen.
> >
> > Some of you may know that I have a strong interest in
> movement/dance/embodiment, particularly in application to personal growth,
> healing/transformation, "mindfulness", and the connections & growth
> possible within groups and systems through body wisdom, embodiment
> practice, and collective movement.
> >
> > The awareness and acceptance of the value of the body as both a source
> of wisdom and an important modality for emotional processing, healing
> trauma, creative expression, group connection, seems to be growing in a
> number of arenas, applications, and communities.
> >
> > I am currently exploring potential areas for expanding my learning and
> my practice and gathering information and insights, as well as exploring
> within, so that I can choose where to focus my energies.
> >
> > My questions to this community are: Do you see potential application for
> movement/somatics work within any of the communities or organizations where
> you work?
> >
> > If so, can you identify where/how you can imagine the integration of
> body and movement into the work that you do or the life/workflow of the
> people with whom you work?
> >
> > I welcome any and all insights and reflections and referrals! I see this
> work, the way that I approach it, as truly an invitation to open space
> within oneself and within communities through exploration of body and
> movement in a way that is liberated from form, function, expectation, or
> expertise.
> >
> > I hope that makes sense! I welcome all questions as well! Thank you in
> advance! <3
> > _______________________________________________
> > OSList mailing list
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