[OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to become CERTIFIED OPEN SPACE TECHNOLOGISTS???

paul levy paul at cats3000.net
Fri Aug 2 10:55:05 PDT 2019


It only takes three minutes to learn OST and that includes a tea break.

Warm wishes

Paul Levy
Writer, facilitator, conversifier and collusion breaker

On Fri, 2 Aug 2019, 18:23 Amanda Bucklow via OSList, <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Harrison,
>
> I am with you. I don’t care for either certification or accreditation - it
> means nothing. White coats and Jack Nicolson are what comes to my mind and
> in truth the systems are run by the inmates! I would be very disheartened
> if OS succumbed to the myth of certification. OS is a process and like the
> process of baking bread it has essential ingredients (people, commitment
> and good will) and many recipes (their contributions).
>
> I hope you are in your summer palace! Maine if I recall. Feasting on
> lobsters perhaps?
>
> my very good wishes to you...
> Amanda
>
> On 2 Aug 2019, at 15:36, Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> I must say that every  time I hear talk about “certification” I do have to
> smile. My immediate association is with locked facilities and men in white
> coats. Years ago it became very clear to me that any sort of
> Certification/accreditation didn’t make much sense. OST is free. Always has
> been. I particularly loved Chris’s story about Open Space in the prison.
> Truly, anybody can do it, and I hope they do. It  is just like breathing…
> and equally essential for life, I think.
>
> ho
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
> <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] *On Behalf Of *Amanda Bucklow
> via OSList
> *Sent:* Friday, August 2, 2019 9:51 AM
> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Cc:* Amanda Bucklow
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if
> that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money
> OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to
> become CERTIFIED OPEN SPACE TECHNOLOGISTS???
>
> Dear Marai
>
> I make the distinction between Certified (in the US sense) and Accredited
> as follows:
>
> Certified would be
> 1. State sponsored with legal status as in a certified accountant. In the
> UK in order to produce statutory accounts for the Inland Revenue you need
> to be ‘certified’ by a recognised body. The most common is Chartered
> Accountant which is the status conferred by the Privy Council and
> 2. there is a system of regulation which deals with disciplinary action
> the outcome of which is legal binding. This means your ‘licence’ to
> practice, and therefore you ability to earn your living, may be revoked or
> restricted in some way.
>
> Accredited would be
> 1. Trained by an organisation holding themselves out as qualified to train
> but not independently verified as competent to do so
> 2. A much shorter training, possibly non-standard and subject to the
> perceptions of the market as to quality, and
> 3. either no regulation or very light-touch regulation by a membership
> body, for example.
>
> The first invites the public to have confidence in the ‘certification’ and
> to rely on it. The second requires the consumer to make a judgment
> supported by more thorough research or recommendation.
>
> I do hope that is not too much information :-)
>
> kind regards
> Amanda
>
>
> On 2 Aug 2019, at 12:36, Marai Kiele via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Dear Amanda,
>
> Could you help me understand what for you the difference is between a
> certification (in the US sense) and an accreditation?
>
> I know there is a cultural difference (years ago I learned from a British
> colleague that in the UK „certified“ means ‘certified insane’ as you are
> saying).
>
> So you use the word „accredited“. I believe in the US they use „certified“
> for that very situation. True?
> (by the way here is a non-native English speaker from Germany asking).
>
> And I like your quote with your three distinctions.
>
> Marai
>
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>
>
>
> Am 02.08.2019 um 12:25 schrieb Facilit8 via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
>
> Dear Mark
>
> For me there is only one case for certification and that is ‘certified
> insane’. The rest is an illusion of certainty which is the very antithesis
> of Open Space at least as I experience it.
>
> I appreciate your enthusiasm for the business opportunity and for
> practitioners. I have found that the OSList and the wonderful discussions,
> which are both challenging and respectful, to be the very best professional
> development and better than any ‘regulation’ I have experienced in any
> profession bar none. Wise folks here share and repeat the simplicity of
> what we do in service of others.
>
> As I say to my student mediators: “your training means you understand the
> goals and theory and your accreditation means I think you are a safe pair
> of hands. Now, you turn up, pay attention and ‘be’ a mediator. There is no
> certificate for that.”
>
> Greetings and warm wishes from a lovely sunny Hove (south coast England)
>
> Amanda
>
> Amanda Bucklow
> Independent Commercial Mediator
> Https://amandabucklow.co.uk <https://amandabucklow.co.uk/>
> 07976 924995
>
>
> On 1 Aug 2019, at 20:35, Mark Carmel via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Dear World Wide Open Space Technologists,
>
> ALL we have to do ONLY requires a collective DECISION.
>
> Here is the question:  Are you IN or out?
>
> Mark Carmel
> Wannabe Certified OST
>
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