<div dir="auto">It only takes three minutes to learn OST and that includes a tea break.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Warm wishes <br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Paul Levy<br>Writer, facilitator, conversifier and collusion breaker</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 2 Aug 2019, 18:23 Amanda Bucklow via OSList, <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Harrison,<div><br></div><div>I am with you. I don’t care for either certification or accreditation - it means nothing. White coats and Jack Nicolson are what comes to my mind and in truth the systems are run by the inmates! I would be very disheartened if OS succumbed to the myth of certification. OS is a process and like the process of baking bread it has essential ingredients (people, commitment and good will) and many recipes (their contributions).</div><div><br></div><div>I hope you are in your summer palace! Maine if I recall. Feasting on lobsters perhaps?</div><div><br></div><div>my very good wishes to you...</div><div>Amanda<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 2 Aug 2019, at 15:36, Harrison Owen via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_1713851955240875156Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div class="m_1713851955240875156WordSection1" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I must say that every time I hear talk about “certification” I do have to smile. My immediate association is with locked facilities and men in white coats. Years ago it became very clear to me that any sort of Certification/accreditation didn’t make much sense. OST is free. Always has been. I particularly loved Chris’s story about Open Space in the prison. Truly, anybody can do it, and I hope they do. It is just like breathing… and equally essential for life, I think.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">ho<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="m_1713851955240875156Apple-converted-space"> </span>OSList [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>]<span class="m_1713851955240875156Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="m_1713851955240875156Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Amanda Bucklow via OSList<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="m_1713851955240875156Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, August 2, 2019 9:51 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="m_1713851955240875156Apple-converted-space"> </span>World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="m_1713851955240875156Apple-converted-space"> </span>Amanda Bucklow<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="m_1713851955240875156Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to become CERTIFIED OPEN SPACE TECHNOLOGISTS???<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Dear Marai<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I make the distinction between Certified (in the US sense) and Accredited as follows:<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Certified would be <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">1. State sponsored with legal status as in a certified accountant. In the UK in order to produce statutory accounts for the Inland Revenue you need to be ‘certified’ by a recognised body. The most common is Chartered Accountant which is the status conferred by the Privy Council and <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">2. there is a system of regulation which deals with disciplinary action the outcome of which is legal binding. This means your ‘licence’ to practice, and therefore you ability to earn your living, may be revoked or restricted in some way.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Accredited would be<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">1. Trained by an organisation holding themselves out as qualified to train but not independently verified as competent to do so<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">2. A much shorter training, possibly non-standard and subject to the perceptions of the market as to quality, and<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">3. either no regulation or very light-touch regulation by a membership body, for example.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The first invites the public to have confidence in the ‘certification’ and to rely on it. The second requires the consumer to make a judgment supported by more thorough research or recommendation.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I do hope that is not too much information :-)<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">kind regards<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Amanda<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><br><br><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On 2 Aug 2019, at 12:36, Marai Kiele via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Dear Amanda, <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Could you help me understand what for you the difference is between a certification (in the US sense) and an accreditation?<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I know there is a cultural difference (years ago I learned from a British colleague that in the UK „certified“ means ‘certified insane’ as you are saying). <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">So you use the word „accredited“. I believe in the US they use „certified“ for that very situation. True?<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">(by the way here is a non-native English speaker from Germany asking).<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">And I like your quote with your three distinctions.<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Marai<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="https://www.eventbrite.com/e/global-oasis-for-emerging-leaders-tickets-58880372780" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Join the next Global Oasis for Emerging Leaders on August 26!</a><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><br><br><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Am 02.08.2019 um 12:25 schrieb Facilit8 via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>:<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Dear Mark<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">For me there is only one case for certification and that is ‘certified insane’. The rest is an illusion of certainty which is the very antithesis of Open Space at least as I experience it.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I appreciate your enthusiasm for the business opportunity and for practitioners. I have found that the OSList and the wonderful discussions, which are both challenging and respectful, to be the very best professional development and better than any ‘regulation’ I have experienced in any profession bar none. Wise folks here share and repeat the simplicity of what we do in service of others.<br><br>As I say to my student mediators: “your training means you understand the goals and theory and your accreditation means I think you are a safe pair of hands. Now, you turn up, pay attention and ‘be’ a mediator. There is no certificate for that.”<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Greetings and warm wishes from a lovely sunny Hove (south coast England)<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Amanda<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Amanda Bucklow<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Independent Commercial Mediator<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="https://amandabucklow.co.uk/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Https://amandabucklow.co.uk</a><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">07976 924995<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><br>On 1 Aug 2019, at 20:35, Mark Carmel via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt" type="cite"><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:18pt">Dear World Wide Open Space Technologists,<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:18pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:18pt">ALL we have to do ONLY requires a collective DECISION. <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:18pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:18pt">Here is the question: Are you IN or out?<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:18pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 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