[OSList] OST encourages avoidance of conflict

Tue Jan 30 18:22:45 PST 2018

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On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 8:20 PM, Jeff Aitken via OSList <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> A favorite quote from Chris C when researching my dissertation was his
> description of regular folks being like 'Taoist masters' working with
> conflict in open space.
>
> They engage awhile, things heat up, they may cool off by going to the
> coffee table awhile and talking hockey (in Canada), then back into the
> fray. Fun and potent image of the Law in interaction.
>
> Jeff
> San Francisco
>
> On Jan 30, 2018 4:46 PM, "Michael Herman via OSList" <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> I think I disagree with Dave on this. I only know his position from
>> what's been reported here, but I have met and listened to him speak. He
>> strikes me as quite a bit better than most at carving boundaries for
>> himself and that, I think, might color his experience of the encouragements
>> OS does give to resolve rather than avoid conflict.
>>
>> We've noticed many times before that OS implies a higher level of
>> exposure for people than other ways of working. We've also noticed the deep
>> connections between groups, i.e. "They're all talking about the same
>> stuff," (in all the different breakouts). And when we go around the circle,
>> everyone hears and speaks to everyone. there's a high level of authenticity
>> that invites people to join and match.
>>
>> In other words, where there are real conflicts, I think OS makes it
>> pretty hard to hide from them, even as it gives lots of room and options
>> for navigating them. If the purpose doesn't require they be settled, then
>> the work can proceed. If it does require resolution, the exposure and
>> connection and purpose will push for that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 18:14 Harold Shinsato via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> Thanks for giving more detail about Snowden's thinking. I didn't want to
>>> mention his name without a fuller context as you have provided. I also
>>> disagree with his assessment of OST as a convergence tool. I've not seen
>>> happiness come from trying to squeeze convergence out of an OST event.
>>>
>>> I can't critique Snowden's disagreement with OST as an all purpose
>>> 'tool', though for me I have found great value in Harrison's wisdom about
>>> Open Space as not being a tool. I see Open Space as something I feel I
>>> experience in most Open Space Technology events, but they're not really the
>>> same thing. Given that distinction, "Open some space" does seem a valid all
>>> purpose approach. Even if that doesn't necessarily look like a formal Open
>>> Space Technology event.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Harold
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/30/18 4:44 PM, Chris Corrigan wrote:
>>>
>>> The well known management guru is David Snowden and his principle
>>> criticism against OST is the same as it is for every other method. It is
>>> not a panacea for every problem.
>>>
>>> More specifically, Dave’s issue as I understand it, is that groups
>>> operate within constraints. There are times when those constraints need to
>>> be tightly bound in order for things to happen and other times when they
>>> need to be relaxed.
>>>
>>> In situations in which you are developing new things conflict and
>>> diversity are helpful. Sometimes it helps to have a process in which people
>>> of differing perspectives are engaged in a tight container together to make
>>> something better. Open Space does not always do this, so if you need a
>>> required level of diversity (and conflict doesn’t always mean a fight) then
>>> OST might not be the best way to do it.
>>>
>>> I agree with this. Sometimes you need a formal negotiation structure to
>>> reach a decision. Sometimes you need expert opinions engaged in a
>>> deliberated and structured and way to do due diligence.
>>>
>>> Dave has other concerns with Open Space that I think he’s wrong about
>>> (that it is a convergence process for example) and I’ve talked with him
>>> extensively about that. But anyone who think that Dave believes Open Space
>>> doesn’t have utility is also wrong. He believes that it’s useful for
>>> certain things in certain contexts and not in others. On that we all agree,
>>> I would think.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> _____________
>>> CHRIS CORRIGAN
>>> www.chriscorrigan.com
>>>
>>> On Jan 30, 2018, at 2:24 PM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Daniel,
>>>
>>> Interesting concern. I think I remember hearing this from a well
>>> respected management guru as a critique of Open Space. I can't help but
>>> wonder the following:
>>>
>>> - How well do individual adults resolve conflicts when an authority
>>> figure forces them?
>>> - How well do conflicting peoples or tribal communities resolve
>>> conflicts when they are forcibly held together by an imperial force (think
>>> Rome, USSR, pre-partition India, etc etc etc)
>>>
>>> If you are dealing with children or developmentally challenged
>>> individuals - especially those who have violated others rights are are in
>>> prison - I can imagine there being some value to some level of compulsion
>>> or coercion here. But even there, it may temporarily resolve the fighting
>>> and damage, but not the children's growth.
>>>
>>> If you are dealing with severe human rights being violated in tribal
>>> scenarios, I can see how that might justify gunboat diplomacy. But I can't
>>> imagine the tribal system will evolve to respect human rights without a
>>> huge additional investment from the gunboat diplomats. And it is all too
>>> likely that such interference may not only cause even bigger problems later
>>> on, but can also encourage exploitation of the less developed
>>> tribe/community.
>>>
>>> Thanks for asking this question!
>>>
>>>     Harold
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/30/18 2:07 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:
>>>
>>> I am hearing this pointed criticism from some quarters: That OST
>>> actually encourages conflict-avoidance via the Law of 2 Feet. In other
>>> words, people who need to be resolving conflict (or at least discussing it)
>>> can just avoid the touchy topic... and each other.
>>>
>>> Could this actually be true? If not why not?
>>>
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