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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 8:20 PM, Jeff Aitken via OSList <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">A favorite quote from Chris C when researching my dissertation was his description of regular folks being like 'Taoist masters' working with conflict in open space. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">They engage awhile, things heat up, they may cool off by going to the coffee table awhile and talking hockey (in Canada), then back into the fray. Fun and potent image of the Law in interaction.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jeff</div><div dir="auto">San Francisco</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 30, 2018 4:46 PM, "Michael Herman via OSList" <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">I think I disagree with Dave on this. I only know his position from what's been reported here, but I have met and listened to him speak. He strikes me as quite a bit better than most at carving boundaries for himself and that, I think, might color his experience of the encouragements OS does give to resolve rather than avoid conflict. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We've noticed many times before that OS implies a higher level of exposure for people than other ways of working. We've also noticed the deep connections between groups, i.e. "They're all talking about the same stuff," (in all the different breakouts). And when we go around the circle, everyone hears and speaks to everyone. there's a high level of authenticity that invites people to join and match. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In other words, where there are real conflicts, I think OS makes it pretty hard to hide from them, even as it gives lots of room and options for navigating them. If the purpose doesn't require they be settled, then the work can proceed. If it does require resolution, the exposure and connection and purpose will push for that. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 18:14 Harold Shinsato via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.or<wbr>g</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hi Chris,<br>
<br>
Thanks for giving more detail about Snowden's thinking. I didn't
want to mention his name without a fuller context as you have
provided. I also disagree with his assessment of OST as a
convergence tool. I've not seen happiness come from trying to
squeeze convergence out of an OST event.<br>
<br>
I can't critique Snowden's disagreement with OST as an all purpose
'tool', though for me I have found great value in Harrison's wisdom
about Open Space as not being a tool. I see Open Space as something
I feel I experience in most Open Space Technology events, but
they're not really the same thing. Given that distinction, "Open
some space" does seem a valid all purpose approach. Even if that
doesn't necessarily look like a formal Open Space Technology event.</div><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><br>
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<div class="m_-7801102445197824159m_-6111842360300720560m_-2408929095684272914moz-cite-prefix">On 1/30/18 4:44 PM, Chris Corrigan
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The well known management guru is David Snowden and his principle
criticism against OST is the same as it is for every other method.
It is not a panacea for every problem.
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<div>More specifically, Dave’s issue as I understand it, is that
groups operate within constraints. There are times when those
constraints need to be tightly bound in order for things to
happen and other times when they need to be relaxed. </div>
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<div>In situations in which you are developing new things conflict
and diversity are helpful. Sometimes it helps to have a process
in which people of differing perspectives are engaged in a tight
container together to make something better. Open Space does not
always do this, so if you need a required level of diversity
(and conflict doesn’t always mean a fight) then OST might not be
the best way to do it. </div>
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<div>I agree with this. Sometimes you need a formal negotiation
structure to reach a decision. Sometimes you need expert
opinions engaged in a deliberated and structured and way to do
due diligence. </div>
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<div>Dave has other concerns with Open Space that I think he’s
wrong about (that it is a convergence process for example) and
I’ve talked with him extensively about that. But anyone who
think that Dave believes Open Space doesn’t have utility is also
wrong. He believes that it’s useful for certain things in
certain contexts and not in others. On that we all agree, I
would think. </div>
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<div>Chris. <br>
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On Jan 30, 2018, at 2:24 PM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.or<wbr>g</a>>
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Daniel,<br>
<br>
Interesting concern. I think I remember hearing this from a
well respected management guru as a critique of Open Space.
I can't help but wonder the following:<br>
<br>
- How well do individual adults resolve conflicts when an
authority figure forces them?<br>
- How well do conflicting peoples or tribal communities
resolve conflicts when they are forcibly held together by an
imperial force (think Rome, USSR, pre-partition India, etc
etc etc)<br>
<br>
If you are dealing with children or developmentally
challenged individuals - especially those who have violated
others rights are are in prison - I can imagine there being
some value to some level of compulsion or coercion here. But
even there, it may temporarily resolve the fighting and
damage, but not the children's growth.<br>
<br>
If you are dealing with severe human rights being violated
in tribal scenarios, I can see how that might justify
gunboat diplomacy. But I can't imagine the tribal system
will evolve to respect human rights without a huge
additional investment from the gunboat diplomats. And it is
all too likely that such interference may not only cause
even bigger problems later on, but can also encourage
exploitation of the less developed tribe/community.<br>
<br>
Thanks for asking this question!<br>
<br>
Harold<br>
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<div class="m_-7801102445197824159m_-6111842360300720560m_-2408929095684272914moz-cite-prefix">On 1/30/18 2:07 PM, Daniel
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<p>I am hearing this pointed criticism from some quarters:
That OST actually encourages conflict-avoidance via the
Law of 2 Feet. In other words, people who need to be
resolving conflict (or at least discussing it) can just
avoid the touchy topic... and each other. <br>
<br>
Could this actually be true? If not why not? <br>
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