[OSList] Fwd: Hope Never Dies!
Nick Martin
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Sun Apr 8 23:41:29 PDT 2018
Dear Marai
Thank you so much for your comments and your follow-up email. I love
your analogy about Kalimotxo!
To answer your question: /"Would you elaborate about the benefit of the
sponsor / organiser having control over the agenda?"/
First I'd like to say the twist has no impact on the process of the day
so it should never happen that the organizers are accused of not running
an Open Space.
I now appreciate after my Skype with Bhav and your feedback on the
Google Doc
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ufIsy0BQvIqlRUbW0FAyXHGV0IKw3VdDT8L91RIJJU8/edit?usp=sharing>
that my version of the process-on-the-day needs some tidying but all the
discussion has been about the twist and its potential of closing the
space so let me address that.
The twist is an extra process in the days / weeks before the event and
provides two benefits:
(1) It calms sponsors who are scared to the point of being unwilling to
try OST in its traditional form, and
(2) It becomes a marketing tool for the event.
Re (1) I've never actually seen the sponsor exert any control over the
event even though they've theoretically been able to. It's just put
their mind and nerves at rest because they've been able to see what
topics are coming ahead of time. Some people, who feel like their necks
are on the line, don't like surprises and this removes some of the surprise.
(2) is its main function because often an audience coming to an event is
feeling disengaged before they arrive. If I pick up during the design
phase that the general feeling from the attendees is, "is this event
going to be another waste of my time?" I look to do something because
negativity like that at the water cooler spreads fast and I'd rather
they walk in the room at the start pumped and excited.
The twist works by showing them days/weeks in advance that this event is
going to be different because they're in control. It becomes a PR tool
for the design team that generates pre-event enthusiasm. I've learned
the earlier you can get your targets engaged in the event the higher
your chance of success and this is a way to do that.
I like your suggestion and am starting to think these two versions would
be better separated with my twist version getting it's own brand like
Kalimotxo. I'm happy to do that if the general feeling is it muddies the
waters/red wine too much.
P.S. I joined this list back in Feb 2017 when I first had a conversation
with Bhav about OST.
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On 07/04/2018 10:15, Marai Kiele via OSList wrote:
> Dear Nick,
>
> I am very appreciative of you writing openly on this list, after the
> conversations that happened beforehand!
>
> I went over to your document and made some comments on the process.
> Found a sense of „this process needs to be controlled to have a good
> outcome“ at several places.
>
> Since a while I am mostly contemplating on your introduction to the
> twist.
> You write:
>
> "I’ve added a twist with the inclusion of a pre-event process that
> gives the sponsors / organizers a little more control over the agenda."
>
> Would you elaborate about the benefit of the sponsor / organiser
> having control over the agenda?
>
> And how, „having control over the agenda“ and the basic intentions of
> OST (i.e. trusting the people and their innate wisdom) go together for
> you?
> They don’t go well together for me.
>
> Let me make this clearer with an analogy:
>
> There is red wine. There is coke.
> There are many people who like one or the other.
> There are people who like both, at different times.
>
> There are also people who like mixing those two.
> (I tried it once when I was a teenager.)
>
> Many of those who like red wine will probably shutter imagining such a
> mix. Especially when imagining a really good red wine plus coke, in
> equal proportion.
> And still, it’s an official drink, it even has a Wikipedia entry:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalimotxo
>
> If you offered someone such a mix, would you call it „red whine with a
> twist“?
>
> I suggest you create a name that is showing more openly what you are
> doing with the twist.
> "Open Space and Control" or a completely new name.
>
> With curiosity for your perspective,
> Marai
>
> PS: As a side note, to understand this conversation better (and
> because I only re-joined this list a short while ago):
> Have you been on this list before or did you just join after the topic
> came up?
>
>
>
>
>> Am 06.04.2018 um 14:30 schrieb Nick Martin via OSList
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>:
>>
>> Hi everybody!
>>
>> Thank you all so much for your excellent feedback. I've been watching
>> with enormous interest.
>>
>> I've just had a great Skype with Bhav where he was kind enough to
>> take me through in more detail where my rendition of Open Space is
>> veering from the traditional. It was incredibly enlightening (thanks
>> again Bhav).
>>
>> For me, it's critical I get this right for readers of my website who
>> are far less experienced than your good selves so I'm committed to
>> changing it.
>>
>> Bhav suggested that I might create an editable Google Doc of a new
>> draft and share it with you for comments and edits. I thought that a
>> wonderful idea! Here it is and I promise to publish whatever we end
>> up with ... assuming it's clean :)
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ufIsy0BQvIqlRUbW0FAyXHGV0IKw3VdDT8L91RIJJU8/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> Naturally the Law of Two Feet very much applies so please don't feel
>> obligated. All input and feedback is very much appreciated.
>>
>>
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>> On 04/04/2018 16:37, Dan Mezick via OSList wrote:
>>> “CFCF” (control for control freaks) might be a more appropriate
>>> name. Either that or “Project Management”.
>>>
>>> with a twist, of course.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 4, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList
>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I see the site has a contact page: https://workshopbank.com/contact
>>>>
>>>> Anyone care to give them some feedback and request they stop
>>>> calling this thing Open Space with a twist?
>>>>
>>>> Peggy Holman
>>>> 425-746-6274
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>>> *From:*Harrison Owen via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>>>>> *Date:*April 4, 2018 at 6:40:52 AM PDT
>>>>> *To:*"'World wide Open Space Technology email list'"
>>>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>>>>> *Cc:*Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>>
>>>>> *Subject:**Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!*
>>>>> *Reply-To:*World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not the first time for this conversation… The simple
>>>>> truth: Old habits die very hard. The habit of
>>>>> thinking/hoping/wishing/knowing that somebody is in charge doesn’t
>>>>> play very well in Open Space. And so the predictable arrives as
>>>>> prognosticated. Or something.
>>>>> Some find this ongoing situation an occasion to defend the
>>>>> process. I can understand the feeling, but I am quite sure it is
>>>>> not worth the energy. Open Space/self organization will do quite
>>>>> well all by itself, as it has for millennia. But there is a
>>>>> sadness, which on occasion expresses itself (at least in me) as
>>>>> anger. I find the ignorance and arrogance of those “meeting
>>>>> planners” to be totally appalling. The massive disrespect of the
>>>>> participants manifest in the presumption that they (the “planning
>>>>> Committee”) alone possess the keys to knowledge and action… that
>>>>> they alone could ask the pertinent questions for which they will
>>>>> supply the only answers, personally or through imported
>>>>> “experts.” -- is soul numbing. Sad.
>>>>> Harrison
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>>>>> *From:*OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org]*On
>>>>> Behalf Of*Eva P Svensson via OSList
>>>>> *Sent:*Tuesday, April 3, 2018 7:46 AM
>>>>> *To:*World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>>>> *Cc:*Eva P Svensson
>>>>> *Subject:*Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!
>>>>> Don’t call it Open Space if it’s not Open space!!
>>>>> Another thing.. I visited my first ”Bar camp” a week ago. Oh my
>>>>> how frustrated I was with the control! Imagine that we had to
>>>>> stand up and tell our name and two topic that we would like to
>>>>> talk about (without any obligation to bring them up). After that
>>>>> the ones who wanted to raise a topic - stod up and read what s/he
>>>>> wanted to talk about in the 45 min breakout sessions. Then we were
>>>>> asked to raise our hands if we thought that topic was a good idea
>>>>> - and not if it’ wasn’t… Just imagine standing up front of all
>>>>> participants with a topic and no one raised their hand…!
>>>>> Nothing was said about how to collect the recordings so there was
>>>>> a big confusion about that. Every breakout session was 45 min and
>>>>> when the time was out - the ”facilitator” came in the different
>>>>> rooms and announced that the time was over…
>>>>> And of course no circles , just tables. Can you imagine me as
>>>>> being an Open Space ”fundamentalist” being oh so much frustrated…
>>>>> Oh my - what an interesting experience …
>>>>> Hugs
>>>>> :o)
>>>>> Eva
>>>>>
>>>>> Bästa hälsningar
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 3 apr. 2018 kl. 13:20 skrev Bhavesh Patel via OSList
>>>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Classic - "*There’s a twist in this version with the inclusion of
>>>>> a process that gives the organizers a little more control over the
>>>>> agenda.*"
>>>>>
>>>>> https://workshopbank.com/open-space-technology
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