[OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

Wed Aug 31 22:38:20 PDT 2016

very nice, lucas!  though i think the beautiful pictures distract from the
elegance of your framing work and maybe from meeting content, too.  i added
a small heap of user stories for you in the front porch notes.

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Michael Herman
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http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:38 PM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi Birgitt, thank you for the useful questions.  Using one's own story as
> an invitation is a great idea, and there's a project that I can apply it
> to.  Also, the idea of a group of people taking turns "occupying" an online
> space for hours/days that you mention is pretty awesome.  Maybe there's an
> application of this idea in the "online house prototype" mentioned below.
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> Brian Burt, I do look forward to seeing the upcoming innovations with
> MaestroConference that you mention.  It's already a ground-breaking
> platform.
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> Michael Herman, I love the zoom in/out idea.  Thanks for all the detailed
> thinking and mentioning how online spaces are just another form of space.
> When we ran the Video Open Space on Open Space last year, it was a
> revelation to me that when everyone is on video, they are
> connecting/sharing their own private spaces (ie kitchen tables).
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> Ben Roberts, I look forward to seeing your next innovation/experiment.  I
> especially liked participating in the online gift economy last year.
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> For whomever is interested, based on this OSList thread, I made some
> changes this evening to QiqoChat video events.  My goal is to create a more
> minimalist version that could be used for OST.  A Qiqo live event consists
> of a breakout space with a notetaking space plus a button to connect
> through Zoom video.  Also, you can see how many people are in each of the
> other spaces so you know when to use your two feet.
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> As Ben mentioned about tools in general, no tool is sufficient on its own;
> skilled facilitation is the key ingredient in hosting a successful event.
> Tonight's iteration is still rough, but it has a playful feel.  I named the
> spaces in this virtual house (kitchen, garden, sun room, pool, etc) and a
> background photo for each.
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> *When people go to this demo online OST, they arrive on the "Front
> Porch".  A screenshot is attached.*  That's where the opening circle
> would happen and where the marketplace wall would be posted.  Then
> participants can go into all the other rooms for their breakouts.
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> *For the curious folks out there, *here's the link to test
> <https://qiqochat.com/breakout/0/tddbQjxXRaQZEUDQoTCORGONq>.  If you
> don't have an account and you don't want to create an account, you can sign
> in with "test at test.com" and a password of "test".
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> *I must give credit to Suzanne Daigle for this idea of hosting inside a
> house.*  She mentioned this idea in her email post two days ago and for
> over a year, she had been suggesting that I should create something that
> feels like a house online.  So tonight I said "What the heck?" and gave her
> idea a try.  This is a very neat idea, and I think it opens up a whole
> bunch of possibilities for replicating physical spaces online.  Michael
> Herman has also been innovating in this way with Sococo and generously
> sharing his thoughts here on OSList.
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> If anyone has any suggestions/questions, please add your reply here.  I
> welcome additional feedback; this is innovation in the open, and anyone
> working on a tech experiment/platform will benefit from this discussion.
>
> Lucas Cioffi
> Charlottesville, VA
> Mobile: 917-528-1831
>
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> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Birgitt Williams via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>> Lucas,
>> I cannot seem to stay on the intended topic of this thread...to get
>> ideas. I am aware of how short lived creations can be, before they morph
>> into something else. I also realized I asked insufficient questions in a
>> prior post. The questions I feel need to be answered are:
>> Lucas...what are you passionate about with this work you are into, what
>> brings a fire to your heart and soul? And then go with it, whatever it may
>> be. Someone and maybe many someones will say 'this is just what I need!".
>> Follow your bliss and they will come. When something is created from heart
>> centered 'this is what I am in the world to do' and 'this is my bit for
>> creating a more nourishing future for humanity' you are on the right track.
>>
>> Michael...in that training you did where the 'we' of that group concluded
>> that OST could be distilled to people and story, that is one example that
>> comes out of doing that exercise. having done this exercise with lots of
>> people, the results are diverse, with different people and groups of people
>> reaching different conclusions. One of the things I say to the facilitators
>> is that no one except them can make the choice of what constitutes and OST
>> meeting and what does not based on whatever elements they personally feel
>> are necessary. It depends very much on what their hearts are calling them
>> to create.
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>> What feels like space that is open to one person feels like closed space
>> to another person.
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>> I believe Chris Corrigan spoke about the artistry.
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>> What I can imagine that would open space for me is a drumming circle. No
>> topics, no reports, etc. Just someone present all of the time (alternating
>> people) who are willing to keep the drumming circle going. As different
>> ones of us join in, each with our own drums, choosing video feed or not,
>> people join in the beat, maybe aligning with the heartbeat of the earth.
>> Somewhere on the screen, there could be a space  for capturing reflections
>> that happened during the participation of the individual...in words and in
>> drawings and other graphics. I could imagine this gaining quite a
>> following...although if your intent is money making, it might need to be
>> donation based.
>>
>> Blessings,
>> Birgitt
>>
>>
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>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 4:56 PM Michael Herman via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>>> I watched a video yesterday from a recent conference, a traditional
>>> affair with all shapes and sizes of workshop/presentation sessions.  This
>>> one I was watching had a sort of panel presentation, with five different
>>> people sharing stories.  All of their stories were accompanied by a
>>> powerpoint backdrop, but that is sort of forgivable since their topic was
>>> specifically about visualization of complex work and dynamics.  Would have
>>> been weird without some visuals to their stories of visualizations.
>>>
>>> The interesting thing is that one of the panelists was across an ocean.
>>> He presented on the big screen, shared his screen to show his examples, and
>>> all through the session he watched the audience and the other speakers on
>>> his laptop.  He asked questions of the audience and got a show of hands.
>>> He was totally there.
>>>
>>> So some of the wondering about face-to-face or online sounds like to me
>>> a bit like asking if open space needs a fancy retreat setting or could it
>>> happen in a ballroom or church basement or middle school gymnasium.  Online
>>> in just another place.  Wherever it happens, it's open space, right
>>> enough.  You can search the archives for when Ralph Copleman had us cooking
>>> up solutions for opening for a large-ish group on a beach.
>>>
>>> In a session at the same conference I mentioned, we did two sessions on
>>> distributed teamwork, where people from all over work on the same team
>>> everyday.  We had 40-50 people in the room and another 10 or so online, via
>>> sococo.com and also using some little robot gizmos each of which lets
>>> one person put their face on an ipad and remotely control the neck that
>>> holds it, so they can turn their head, nod, look up and down.
>>>
>>> in a recent training conversation we boiled down the must-haves in open
>>> space to just two.  we wiped out circle, postits, chairs, and so on.  we
>>> decided the two essentials were people and a story.
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>>> so if the fifth principle works, online is just another place.  yes,
>>> some places are better for us than others.  pillars are a hassle.  so's not
>>> being able to see faces of other ppts.  not being able to move myself
>>> between breakouts is pretty much like fixed theater seating.
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>>> what works online? pretty much what works everywhere else.  we need
>>> people and a story, someplace to tell the story, so that implies a
>>> gathering place.  we need a way to see other ppts, their faces and their
>>> groupings in clusters of conversation.  we need a way to wander around and
>>> get in other people's view, to be noticed, so we can say hello.  we need a
>>> way to write and read topics for discussion and hang them somewhere.  We
>>> need a way for anyone to ask the facilitator a question, but ideally not in
>>> the middle of the opening briefing, or right as it finishes.  A way to
>>> capture notes and share them with everyone.
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>>> The onscreen view can be very simple.  I'm wondering just now what it
>>> would look like as a slightly larger than screen-sized space, so it needed
>>> to be moved around and zoomed like a google map.  That's a totally new idea
>>> for me, just now, and I think i do like that.  Zoom and Slide in a big
>>> online working space.  Can you rig that up, Lucas?
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>>> --
>>>
>>> Michael Herman
>>> Michael Herman Associates
>>> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>>>
>>> http://MichaelHerman.com
>>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>>>
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>>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList <
>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>>>> Makes me of the response from a techie on why they still have face to
>>>> face meetings with all the tech available for communication: higher
>>>> bandwidth.
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>>>> Ben — thanks for painting a terrific picture of the potential.
>>>>
>>>> Peggy
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>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 5:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
>>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>>>> The story of OS and the Techies is a long one. As it happened, the
>>>> folks who were present for the first OS, and subsequently constituted major
>>>> parts of the early community were all Techies of a sort. Some of them
>>>> actually designed systems and wrote code and others were more “eager
>>>> participants” – that would include me. The new toy was Internet, which at
>>>> the point we became involved was still property of the US Army and known as
>>>> DARPA NET. The world changed under our feet, and the word “exciting” is
>>>> pretty limp.
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>>>> Early on some of the commercial techies thought they saw possibilities
>>>> in OS. One group came to me with what they thought was a revolutionary
>>>> idea: Set up a room full of laptops and have everybody communicate through
>>>> them and a “master” screen set on the wall. The whole thing was prewired
>>>> and magnificently packaged. They made their presentation, but their faces
>>>> fell when I said, “Guys, we could actually talk to each other.”  In fact, I
>>>> believe they made a fair amount of money selling the thing to corporations
>>>> who were (had been) convinced that their executives were too shy, or
>>>> whatever, to communicate directly, face to face.
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>>>> The iterations have continued over the years. You know  the most recent
>>>> ones, but there are more. I have always admired the energy and creativity.
>>>> But at the end of the day, I really didn’t see much value added that
>>>> couldn’t have been supplied (at much less cost) by the simple application
>>>> of everyday, off the shelf kinds of stuff. I do grant that the proposed
>>>> systems were an awful lot prettier – and I really was impressed with my
>>>> electronic “birthday.” But from the very beginning it seemed to me that we
>>>> were looking at a technology in search of an application. I totally
>>>> understand the techie attraction, and I salute their tenacity….
>>>>
>>>> Somehow, the attempt to “replicate the Open Space experience online”
>>>> just doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed odious – but it rather
>>>> reminds me of attempting to replicate making love.
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>>>> So I guess I am back to where I started – What next? It’s wide open and
>>>> massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I don’t think.
>>>>
>>>> Harrison
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>>>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>>> <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] *On Behalf Of *Suzanne
>>>> Daigle via OSList
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:06 PM
>>>> *To:* Harrison Owen
>>>> *Cc:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using
>>>> video chat?
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>>>> Hello HO,
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>>>> NOW WHAT indeed!
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>>>> No more apologies for getting carried away. Be it me bubbling forth
>>>> with the feeling of "love",  a word I would not have dared utter loudly in
>>>> public, most especially in professional contexts. Yet those feelings are
>>>> undeniably there and I shall utter them as they happen. :-) So far I've
>>>> survived speaking my mind... Even more it's blasted holes by opening more
>>>> space that led to productive inspired work, in ways that made me happy I
>>>> didn't keep my mouth shut. With guys and gals.
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>>>> Nor shall I hold back on what I envision in the virtual world. Beyond
>>>> the so called internet. As one who has hosted often in my physical house
>>>> and been similarly hosted in the homes of others, I know there is more to
>>>> be invented there.
>>>> While I may not be the one doing the inventing, I will gladly partake
>>>> in the joy of this imagined future experience and I will wholeheartedly
>>>> nudge, prod, and encourage those who passionately see beyond the reaches of
>>>> what I see.
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>>>> So rather than a duel on the matter, what say you to a hearty Martini
>>>> in Manila so I can paint a picture of what I see?
>>>>
>>>> After all, you're the one who got me in this mess of Open Space with
>>>> all this spirited wave rider stuff and grateful am I that it came my way!
>>>>
>>>> From a happy Florida camper,
>>>> Suzanne
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>>>> On Aug 30, 2016 5:38 PM, "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > OK – You do get carried away for a bit! But you are right!! AND. Your
>>>> imagination is exceeded only by reality!!! (“Today as I imagine the
>>>> possibility of  a Virtual House where I could drop in to just hang out with
>>>> family, friends, colleagues and Open Space pals, from around the world, I
>>>> know that this possibility exists. To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt,
>>>> Sharon Joy in Manila, Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.”)
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>>>> > Suzanne – This is what we do. Every day. All the time. Ever
>>>> since!!!! It’s called The Internet.
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>>>> > NOW WHAT!
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>>>> > Winter Address
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>>>> > Summer Address
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>>>> > 189 Beaucauire Ave
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>>>> > 207 763-3261
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>>>> > Websites
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>>>> > www.openspaceworld.com
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>>>> > www.ho-image.com
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>>>> > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Suzanne Daigle via OSList
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:07 PM
>>>> >
>>>> > To: Lucas Cioffi; World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>>> > Subject: Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using
>>>> video chat?
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>>>> > Dear Lucas and all,
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>>>> > As you pose your question and I saw the replies, I realize once again
>>>> how passionate you, Ben Roberts, Brian Burt and others are about creating
>>>> virtual experiences for others and with others.  With the spirit and
>>>> essence of Open Space. Thank you so very much!
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>>>> > In seeing your names, I relived the magic of past virtual Open Space
>>>> events (Brené Brown and the Global Conversation - Maestro and Brian Burt)
>>>> and Harrison's 80th Birthday Party (Lucas and Michael Herman)  last year
>>>> and yes WOSonOS Florida too (Ben Roberts and others) with opportunities
>>>> here and there to welcome colleagues.
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>>>> > None perfect but all exhilarating in the trailblazing and
>>>> experiencing of it.
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>>>> > Lucas I share your "Field of Dream Passion - Build it and They Will
>>>> Come" though not in developing, refining, improving or simplifying the
>>>> mechanics of it in the backroom so all can go smooth in the virtual space.
>>>> That is not my expertise or passion. It is the work of unsung heroes.
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>>>> > If I was to focus on your word "simplest" aka "simplify", I wonder if
>>>> we could not create the feel of sitting in a circle without talking about a
>>>> circle (like sitting around a campfire, in the comfort of your living room
>>>> or around your kitchen table)? Rather than breakouts, could we have rooms
>>>> and corners where people can go hang out?  Rather than a marketplace wall,
>>>> it could be like going to a movie with a bill board that announces the
>>>> movies that are playing. Then of course you could see who's there, in which
>>>> room. People would instantly think this is really cool and not a process
>>>> thing.
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>>>> > We know that Open Space works best when we don't talk about Open
>>>> Space; we don't talk about a circle, breakouts and stuff.  We simply invite
>>>> from the purpose, theme or reason for meeting. In those first moments of
>>>> sitting in a circle, looking at the floor and the marketplace wall, it all
>>>> seems so foreign to people who have never experienced OS before. Why then
>>>> should we bring these concepts into the virtual space?  We don't have to
>>>> counteract the familiarity of a theatre style setting, reject the podium or
>>>> a panel of speakers.
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>>>> > We can create brand new space - a space of welcome, connecting and
>>>> getting things done from the comfort of our own home or office or wherever.
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>>>> > For each element of Open Space, there could be a way of explaining it
>>>> that invites a degree of freedom that feels different, open and fun. People
>>>> might attribute it to "this is how it happens virtually" and in the process
>>>> they would be living the law of two feet. We'd be communicating intent as
>>>> we give the mechanics of how to move around.
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>>>> > I'm sorry if I got a bit carried away. Ben Roberts once told me years
>>>> ago that he pictured that some virtual meetings could be better than in
>>>> person. I didn't quite believe him. Today as I imagine the possibility of
>>>>  a Virtual House where I could drop in to just hang out with family,
>>>> friends, colleagues and Open Space pals, from around the world, I know that
>>>> this possibility exists. To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon
>>>> Joy in Manila, Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.
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>>>> > Suzanne Daigle
>>>> > Open Space Facilitator
>>>> > NuFocus Strategic Group
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>>>> > FL 941-359-8877
>>>> > Cell: 203-722-2009
>>>> > www.nufocusgroup.com
>>>> > s.daigle at nufocusgroup.com
>>>> > Twitter @Daiglesuz
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>>>> > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList <
>>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>>>> > Hi All,
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>>>> > I would be super-excited to hear how folks would design the simplest
>>>> online Open Space experience using video chat.
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>>>> > I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further down so that you
>>>> might have a moment to think about what online OS experience would work
>>>> best for you, rather than letting my thoughts influence yours.
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>>>> > 1. When the event begins you open up a webpage.  You can see the
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>>>> > where the opening circle is
>>>> > how many virtual breakout spaces there are
>>>> > who is in each virtual space right now
>>>> > what is being discussed now and in the future (a bulletin board /
>>>> marketplace / idea wall)
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>>>> > 2. Next you choose to enter a space by turning on your video chat.
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>>>> > Note: The following features seem helpful but not necessary:
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>>>> > 3. When you arrive in a space, you see a shared notes area available
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>>>> > 4. There is a way to raise your hand to indicate that you'd like to
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>>>> > 5. There is a way to share a quick message such as ("I have to step
>>>> away for a moment").
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>>>> > Thanks so much for any advice.  I look forward to hearing what you
>>>> have in mind!
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>>>> > Lucas Cioffi
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>>>> > Founder, QiqoChat
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>>>> > Charlottesville, VA
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>>>> > Mobile: 917-528-1831
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