[OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

Wed Aug 31 21:38:52 PDT 2016

Hi Birgitt, thank you for the useful questions.  Using one's own story as
an invitation is a great idea, and there's a project that I can apply it
to.  Also, the idea of a group of people taking turns "occupying" an online
space for hours/days that you mention is pretty awesome.  Maybe there's an
application of this idea in the "online house prototype" mentioned below.

Brian Burt, I do look forward to seeing the upcoming innovations with
MaestroConference that you mention.  It's already a ground-breaking
platform.

Michael Herman, I love the zoom in/out idea.  Thanks for all the detailed
thinking and mentioning how online spaces are just another form of space.
When we ran the Video Open Space on Open Space last year, it was a
revelation to me that when everyone is on video, they are
connecting/sharing their own private spaces (ie kitchen tables).

Ben Roberts, I look forward to seeing your next innovation/experiment.  I
especially liked participating in the online gift economy last year.

For whomever is interested, based on this OSList thread, I made some
changes this evening to QiqoChat video events.  My goal is to create a more
minimalist version that could be used for OST.  A Qiqo live event consists
of a breakout space with a notetaking space plus a button to connect
through Zoom video.  Also, you can see how many people are in each of the
other spaces so you know when to use your two feet.

As Ben mentioned about tools in general, no tool is sufficient on its own;
skilled facilitation is the key ingredient in hosting a successful event.
Tonight's iteration is still rough, but it has a playful feel.  I named the
spaces in this virtual house (kitchen, garden, sun room, pool, etc) and a
background photo for each.

*When people go to this demo online OST, they arrive on the "Front Porch".
A screenshot is attached.*  That's where the opening circle would happen
and where the marketplace wall would be posted.  Then participants can go
into all the other rooms for their breakouts.

*For the curious folks out there, *here's the link to test
<https://qiqochat.com/breakout/0/tddbQjxXRaQZEUDQoTCORGONq>.  If you don't
have an account and you don't want to create an account, you can sign in
with "test at test.com" and a password of "test".

*I must give credit to Suzanne Daigle for this idea of hosting inside a
house.*  She mentioned this idea in her email post two days ago and for
over a year, she had been suggesting that I should create something that
feels like a house online.  So tonight I said "What the heck?" and gave her
idea a try.  This is a very neat idea, and I think it opens up a whole
bunch of possibilities for replicating physical spaces online.  Michael
Herman has also been innovating in this way with Sococo and generously
sharing his thoughts here on OSList.

If anyone has any suggestions/questions, please add your reply here.  I
welcome additional feedback; this is innovation in the open, and anyone
working on a tech experiment/platform will benefit from this discussion.

Lucas Cioffi
Charlottesville, VA
Mobile: 917-528-1831

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Birgitt Williams via OSList <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Lucas,
> I cannot seem to stay on the intended topic of this thread...to get ideas.
> I am aware of how short lived creations can be, before they morph into
> something else. I also realized I asked insufficient questions in a prior
> post. The questions I feel need to be answered are:
> Lucas...what are you passionate about with this work you are into, what
> brings a fire to your heart and soul? And then go with it, whatever it may
> be. Someone and maybe many someones will say 'this is just what I need!".
> Follow your bliss and they will come. When something is created from heart
> centered 'this is what I am in the world to do' and 'this is my bit for
> creating a more nourishing future for humanity' you are on the right track.
>
> Michael...in that training you did where the 'we' of that group concluded
> that OST could be distilled to people and story, that is one example that
> comes out of doing that exercise. having done this exercise with lots of
> people, the results are diverse, with different people and groups of people
> reaching different conclusions. One of the things I say to the facilitators
> is that no one except them can make the choice of what constitutes and OST
> meeting and what does not based on whatever elements they personally feel
> are necessary. It depends very much on what their hearts are calling them
> to create.
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> What feels like space that is open to one person feels like closed space
> to another person.
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> I believe Chris Corrigan spoke about the artistry.
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> What I can imagine that would open space for me is a drumming circle. No
> topics, no reports, etc. Just someone present all of the time (alternating
> people) who are willing to keep the drumming circle going. As different
> ones of us join in, each with our own drums, choosing video feed or not,
> people join in the beat, maybe aligning with the heartbeat of the earth.
> Somewhere on the screen, there could be a space  for capturing reflections
> that happened during the participation of the individual...in words and in
> drawings and other graphics. I could imagine this gaining quite a
> following...although if your intent is money making, it might need to be
> donation based.
>
> Blessings,
> Birgitt
>
>
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> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 4:56 PM Michael Herman via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>> I watched a video yesterday from a recent conference, a traditional
>> affair with all shapes and sizes of workshop/presentation sessions.  This
>> one I was watching had a sort of panel presentation, with five different
>> people sharing stories.  All of their stories were accompanied by a
>> powerpoint backdrop, but that is sort of forgivable since their topic was
>> specifically about visualization of complex work and dynamics.  Would have
>> been weird without some visuals to their stories of visualizations.
>>
>> The interesting thing is that one of the panelists was across an ocean.
>> He presented on the big screen, shared his screen to show his examples, and
>> all through the session he watched the audience and the other speakers on
>> his laptop.  He asked questions of the audience and got a show of hands.
>> He was totally there.
>>
>> So some of the wondering about face-to-face or online sounds like to me a
>> bit like asking if open space needs a fancy retreat setting or could it
>> happen in a ballroom or church basement or middle school gymnasium.  Online
>> in just another place.  Wherever it happens, it's open space, right
>> enough.  You can search the archives for when Ralph Copleman had us cooking
>> up solutions for opening for a large-ish group on a beach.
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>> In a session at the same conference I mentioned, we did two sessions on
>> distributed teamwork, where people from all over work on the same team
>> everyday.  We had 40-50 people in the room and another 10 or so online, via
>> sococo.com and also using some little robot gizmos each of which lets
>> one person put their face on an ipad and remotely control the neck that
>> holds it, so they can turn their head, nod, look up and down.
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>> in a recent training conversation we boiled down the must-haves in open
>> space to just two.  we wiped out circle, postits, chairs, and so on.  we
>> decided the two essentials were people and a story.
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>> so if the fifth principle works, online is just another place.  yes, some
>> places are better for us than others.  pillars are a hassle.  so's not
>> being able to see faces of other ppts.  not being able to move myself
>> between breakouts is pretty much like fixed theater seating.
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>> what works online? pretty much what works everywhere else.  we need
>> people and a story, someplace to tell the story, so that implies a
>> gathering place.  we need a way to see other ppts, their faces and their
>> groupings in clusters of conversation.  we need a way to wander around and
>> get in other people's view, to be noticed, so we can say hello.  we need a
>> way to write and read topics for discussion and hang them somewhere.  We
>> need a way for anyone to ask the facilitator a question, but ideally not in
>> the middle of the opening briefing, or right as it finishes.  A way to
>> capture notes and share them with everyone.
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>> The onscreen view can be very simple.  I'm wondering just now what it
>> would look like as a slightly larger than screen-sized space, so it needed
>> to be moved around and zoomed like a google map.  That's a totally new idea
>> for me, just now, and I think i do like that.  Zoom and Slide in a big
>> online working space.  Can you rig that up, Lucas?
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>> --
>>
>> Michael Herman
>> Michael Herman Associates
>> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>>
>> http://MichaelHerman.com
>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
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>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>>> Makes me of the response from a techie on why they still have face to
>>> face meetings with all the tech available for communication: higher
>>> bandwidth.
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>>> Ben — thanks for painting a terrific picture of the potential.
>>>
>>> Peggy
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>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 5:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
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>>> The story of OS and the Techies is a long one. As it happened, the folks
>>> who were present for the first OS, and subsequently constituted major parts
>>> of the early community were all Techies of a sort. Some of them actually
>>> designed systems and wrote code and others were more “eager participants” –
>>> that would include me. The new toy was Internet, which at the point we
>>> became involved was still property of the US Army and known as DARPA NET.
>>> The world changed under our feet, and the word “exciting” is pretty limp.
>>>
>>>
>>> Early on some of the commercial techies thought they saw possibilities
>>> in OS. One group came to me with what they thought was a revolutionary
>>> idea: Set up a room full of laptops and have everybody communicate through
>>> them and a “master” screen set on the wall. The whole thing was prewired
>>> and magnificently packaged. They made their presentation, but their faces
>>> fell when I said, “Guys, we could actually talk to each other.”  In fact, I
>>> believe they made a fair amount of money selling the thing to corporations
>>> who were (had been) convinced that their executives were too shy, or
>>> whatever, to communicate directly, face to face.
>>>
>>> The iterations have continued over the years. You know  the most recent
>>> ones, but there are more. I have always admired the energy and creativity.
>>> But at the end of the day, I really didn’t see much value added that
>>> couldn’t have been supplied (at much less cost) by the simple application
>>> of everyday, off the shelf kinds of stuff. I do grant that the proposed
>>> systems were an awful lot prettier – and I really was impressed with my
>>> electronic “birthday.” But from the very beginning it seemed to me that we
>>> were looking at a technology in search of an application. I totally
>>> understand the techie attraction, and I salute their tenacity….
>>>
>>> Somehow, the attempt to “replicate the Open Space experience online”
>>> just doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed odious – but it rather
>>> reminds me of attempting to replicate making love.
>>>
>>> So I guess I am back to where I started – What next? It’s wide open and
>>> massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I don’t think.
>>>
>>> Harrison
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>>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>> <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] *On Behalf Of *Suzanne Daigle
>>> via OSList
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:06 PM
>>> *To:* Harrison Owen
>>> *Cc:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using
>>> video chat?
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>>> Hello HO,
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>>> NOW WHAT indeed!
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>>> No more apologies for getting carried away. Be it me bubbling forth with
>>> the feeling of "love",  a word I would not have dared utter loudly in
>>> public, most especially in professional contexts. Yet those feelings are
>>> undeniably there and I shall utter them as they happen. :-) So far I've
>>> survived speaking my mind... Even more it's blasted holes by opening more
>>> space that led to productive inspired work, in ways that made me happy I
>>> didn't keep my mouth shut. With guys and gals.
>>>
>>> Nor shall I hold back on what I envision in the virtual world. Beyond
>>> the so called internet. As one who has hosted often in my physical house
>>> and been similarly hosted in the homes of others, I know there is more to
>>> be invented there.
>>> While I may not be the one doing the inventing, I will gladly partake in
>>> the joy of this imagined future experience and I will wholeheartedly nudge,
>>> prod, and encourage those who passionately see beyond the reaches of what I
>>> see.
>>>
>>> So rather than a duel on the matter, what say you to a hearty Martini in
>>> Manila so I can paint a picture of what I see?
>>>
>>> After all, you're the one who got me in this mess of Open Space with all
>>> this spirited wave rider stuff and grateful am I that it came my way!
>>>
>>> From a happy Florida camper,
>>> Suzanne
>>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2016 5:38 PM, "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > OK – You do get carried away for a bit! But you are right!! AND. Your
>>> imagination is exceeded only by reality!!! (“Today as I imagine the
>>> possibility of  a Virtual House where I could drop in to just hang out with
>>> family, friends, colleagues and Open Space pals, from around the world, I
>>> know that this possibility exists. To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt,
>>> Sharon Joy in Manila, Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.”)
>>> >
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>>> > Suzanne – This is what we do. Every day. All the time. Ever
>>> since!!!! It’s called The Internet.
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>>> > NOW WHAT!
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>>> > ho
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>>> > Winter Address
>>> >
>>> > 7808 River Falls Dr.
>>> >
>>> > Potomac, MD 20854
>>> >
>>> > 301-365-2093
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Summer Address
>>> >
>>> > 189 Beaucauire Ave
>>> >
>>> > Camden, ME 04843
>>> >
>>> > 207 763-3261
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Websites
>>> >
>>> > www.openspaceworld.com
>>> >
>>> > www.ho-image.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Suzanne Daigle via OSList
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:07 PM
>>> >
>>> > To: Lucas Cioffi; World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>> > Subject: Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video
>>> chat?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Dear Lucas and all,
>>> >
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>>> > As you pose your question and I saw the replies, I realize once again
>>> how passionate you, Ben Roberts, Brian Burt and others are about creating
>>> virtual experiences for others and with others.  With the spirit and
>>> essence of Open Space. Thank you so very much!
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>>> > In seeing your names, I relived the magic of past virtual Open Space
>>> events (Brené Brown and the Global Conversation - Maestro and Brian Burt)
>>> and Harrison's 80th Birthday Party (Lucas and Michael Herman)  last year
>>> and yes WOSonOS Florida too (Ben Roberts and others) with opportunities
>>> here and there to welcome colleagues.
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>>> > None perfect but all exhilarating in the trailblazing and experiencing
>>> of it.
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>>> > Lucas I share your "Field of Dream Passion - Build it and They Will
>>> Come" though not in developing, refining, improving or simplifying the
>>> mechanics of it in the backroom so all can go smooth in the virtual space.
>>> That is not my expertise or passion. It is the work of unsung heroes.
>>> >
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>>> > If I was to focus on your word "simplest" aka "simplify", I wonder if
>>> we could not create the feel of sitting in a circle without talking about a
>>> circle (like sitting around a campfire, in the comfort of your living room
>>> or around your kitchen table)? Rather than breakouts, could we have rooms
>>> and corners where people can go hang out?  Rather than a marketplace wall,
>>> it could be like going to a movie with a bill board that announces the
>>> movies that are playing. Then of course you could see who's there, in which
>>> room. People would instantly think this is really cool and not a process
>>> thing.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > We know that Open Space works best when we don't talk about Open
>>> Space; we don't talk about a circle, breakouts and stuff.  We simply invite
>>> from the purpose, theme or reason for meeting. In those first moments of
>>> sitting in a circle, looking at the floor and the marketplace wall, it all
>>> seems so foreign to people who have never experienced OS before. Why then
>>> should we bring these concepts into the virtual space?  We don't have to
>>> counteract the familiarity of a theatre style setting, reject the podium or
>>> a panel of speakers.
>>> >
>>> > We can create brand new space - a space of welcome, connecting and
>>> getting things done from the comfort of our own home or office or wherever.
>>> >
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>>> >
>>> > For each element of Open Space, there could be a way of explaining it
>>> that invites a degree of freedom that feels different, open and fun. People
>>> might attribute it to "this is how it happens virtually" and in the process
>>> they would be living the law of two feet. We'd be communicating intent as
>>> we give the mechanics of how to move around.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I'm sorry if I got a bit carried away. Ben Roberts once told me years
>>> ago that he pictured that some virtual meetings could be better than in
>>> person. I didn't quite believe him. Today as I imagine the possibility of
>>>  a Virtual House where I could drop in to just hang out with family,
>>> friends, colleagues and Open Space pals, from around the world, I know that
>>> this possibility exists. To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon
>>> Joy in Manila, Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.
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>>> > Suzanne
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>>> > Suzanne Daigle
>>> > Open Space Facilitator
>>> > NuFocus Strategic Group
>>> >
>>> > FL 941-359-8877
>>> > Cell: 203-722-2009
>>> > www.nufocusgroup.com
>>> > s.daigle at nufocusgroup.com
>>> > Twitter @Daiglesuz
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>>> > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList <
>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>>> > Hi All,
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>>> > I would be super-excited to hear how folks would design the simplest
>>> online Open Space experience using video chat.
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>>> > I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further down so that you
>>> might have a moment to think about what online OS experience would work
>>> best for you, rather than letting my thoughts influence yours.
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>>> > 1. When the event begins you open up a webpage.  You can see the
>>> following:
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>>> > where the opening circle is
>>> > how many virtual breakout spaces there are
>>> > who is in each virtual space right now
>>> > what is being discussed now and in the future (a bulletin board /
>>> marketplace / idea wall)
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>>> > 2. Next you choose to enter a space by turning on your video chat.
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>>> > Note: The following features seem helpful but not necessary:
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>>> > 3. When you arrive in a space, you see a shared notes area available
>>> to all participants.
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>>> > 4. There is a way to raise your hand to indicate that you'd like to
>>> speak.
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>>> > 5. There is a way to share a quick message such as ("I have to step
>>> away for a moment").
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>>> > Thanks so much for any advice.  I look forward to hearing what you
>>> have in mind!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Lucas Cioffi
>>> >
>>> > Founder, QiqoChat
>>> >
>>> > Charlottesville, VA
>>> >
>>> > Mobile: 917-528-1831
>>> >
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