[OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness

Daniel Mezick via OSList oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
Wed Oct 7 16:53:01 PDT 2015


mmp,

Thanks for posting this under [The Tyranny of Structurelessness.]

How interesting that subscribers feel more comfortable contacting you 
personally by email, rather than responding here.

Apparently you are more approachable for interactions and/or easier to 
interact with than OSLIST. I'm sure there is more than one specific 
reason "why" this might be true.

Daniel

On 10/7/15 5:16 PM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList wrote:
> One of the structures, customs, ways of doing stuff, call it what you 
> prefer  I have repeatedly noticed: A number of Members of the LIST I 
> never see on the LIST send responses to stuff I put on the LIST. When 
> I think  a message would be great for the whole LIST to see, I suggest 
> it to the sender. Them Lurkers are definitely a "call it what you 
> prefer" element of our organisation.
>
> Cheers from Berlin
> mmp
>
>
>
> On 07.10.2015 22:48, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
>> wasn't actually intended as personal feedback, daniel.  was meant to be
>> a comment on the territory we all share, even when we might, any of us,
>> feel in the moment like an outsider, that disorientation is actually a
>> part of being included in the experience of open space.
>>
>> as for the essay, i guess i'm still a little unclear about the
>> connection.  open space doesn't strike me as any sort of striving for
>> structurelessness.  and i've seen both formal and informal structure
>> arise in open space.  harrison's term in his "millennial organization"
>> book and what i've seen happen is "appropriate levels of structure and
>> control."
>>
>> the oslist doesn't seem structureless, either.  there are all kinds of
>> limiting and supporting structures that make it possible.  and then
>> there are the customs we've developed, like it's common and desired for
>> people to reply to the whole list with answers to questions, and even
>> personal stories and sidebars, rather than always taking that stuff to
>> private emails.  much of the informal stuff was captured in chris
>> corrigan's oslist faq's i mentioned earlier.  and these things change.
>>   the address changed.  the admin changed.  the archives moved but
>> survived, thanks to harold.  now we allow attachments.  the archives
>> were private and later became publicly searchable.  new people show up
>> all the time, and join in.  the user's non-guide (ebook) captured one
>> great moment in joining when julie smith showed up very new to all of
>> this, asked some great questions, and sparked all kinds of conversation
>> on many important dimensions of the practice.
>>
>> maybe your definition of structure will also define structureless.  i
>> guess i don't know what ever could be structureless, in line wiht chris'
>> story... except that everything's moving, it's all flow, as harrison
>> says.  but maybe those two stories aren't at odds, either... some bits
>> are just more dense or more slowly flowing than others, but it's all
>> flow in the end.  is flow structureless?
>>
>> is the tyranny of structurelessness just to say that everything's
>> moving, and moving on, even the parts we really like, and that can make
>> for some difficult experiences... that would also be nobody's fault, but
>> just part of the shared condition?  uncomfortable in spots, to be sure,
>> but nobody's and no system's "fault" or "responsibility?"
>>
>> as mentioned earlier, OS and the circle don't make people equal.  some
>> will always be better, faster, stronger, more attractive, more connected
>> than others.  is thta a problem to be solved?  i'm having some trouble
>> connecting "elites," "movement," "authorization" and some other terms in
>> the essay to my experience in open space and on the list.  the essay
>> seems to want to fix a problem, but one that's not familiar to me, at
>> least not as a sort of thing to be solved.
>>
>> why is this essay important for you?  how does it inform your
>> understanding and practice of open space?  or your participation on the
>> oslist?  are we a movement?  are you an elite?  is open space at risk of
>> being taken over?  help me make the connection(s)?
>>
>> i notice that you said in your first message that you find this
>> "extremely interesting" but you've yet to say why.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Michael Herman
>> Michael Herman Associates
>> http://MichaelHerman.com
>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Daniel Mezick <dan at newtechusa.net
>> <mailto:dan at newtechusa.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Yo Michael,
>>
>>     The whole "story-context-is-missing" thing is really just a sidebar
>>     to the important (and much wider) issues around authority.
>>
>>     These authority-issues are raised by the subject essay, "The Tyranny
>>     of Structurelessness." What a great essay!
>>
>>     Story-context is a really, really important topic though, especially
>>     if "missing-context" does have at least the potential to evoke
>>     feelings of exclusion, in at least some members of the list.
>>
>>     Regarding some of the things you are saying:
>>
>>     You say, "Exclusion is the illusion. A little bit of errant and
>>     temporary mental structure."
>>
>>     I say, my current belief is that my feelings are not illusion
>>     whatsoever, nor are they error. Rather they are real and valid,
>>     human emotions. They are emotions which, when experienced fully, are
>>     in fact an essential aspect of living well.
>>
>>
>>     You say, "...I notice the word tyranny again in the subject. Is it
>>     not some kind of tyranny we all attempt over and over again when we
>>     expect and insist that the world explain itself to/for us?"
>>
>>     I say, my current belief is that inquiry is not simply important, it
>>     is in fact essential. Inquiry is good.
>>
>>
>>
>>     In any event, and as always, I do appreciate your feedback.
>>
>>
>>
>>     I am now keen to get back to the main topic !
>>
>>     I wonder how we might, in the here and now, go about defining the
>>     term "structure," for purposes of further discussing issues raised
>>     by this essay with much more clarity.
>>
>>     That's a question I'm keen to explore with you, and the other
>>     members of this list, inside this thread.
>>
>>
>>
>>     Regards,
>>     Daniel
>>     http://www.Prime-OS.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 10/6/15 11:56 AM, Michael Herman wrote:
>>>     Yes and Daniel, there are the words of a story and the
>>>     feeling/meaning of it. I considered writing a longer message in
>>>     the telling of this story, but I wanted to transmit as much of the
>>>     spirit/experience of it as I could.
>>>
>>>     Ralph didn't offer any explanation of his observation that
>>>     morning. He did just like I said, got up in a morning news circle,
>>>     it was an OTgathering as I noted but that doesn't matter, it was
>>>     open space and morning news. He said his piece and sat down. The
>>>     experience for me, and others I have learned only later, was
>>>     stunning and disorienting, for sure.
>>>
>>>     I thought to honor and convey this experience through some measure
>>>     of similar brevity in my retelling. Maybe this is what you picked
>>>     up on. The disorienting magic of Ralph's moment.
>>>
>>>     There are moments in open space of surprise and disconnect, maybe
>>>     frustration or confusion or misunderstanding or disorientation and
>>>     even disappointment that arise in open space. This we all know and
>>>     have experienced. This, to me, is not so much a thing to be solved
>>>     but the nature of the territory. It just is.
>>>
>>>     Ralph never did explain his statement, as far as I know. He had
>>>     something to say and he said it. That was his only job. After
>>>     that, each of us had to figure out for ourselves what, if
>>>     anything, to do with his story, to decide if it was wisdom or
>>>     wisecrack. The storyteller, I think, has only the responsibility
>>>     for finding and sharing what's true for him/her.  The rest is up
>>>     to us.
>>>
>>>     Maybe this points to the learning and challenge that we all have
>>>     in open space, namely learning to trust more and more that we
>>>     already are always included in a flow that is bigger and deeper or
>>>     whatever than we can see or understand or articulate sometimes.
>>>     Exclusion is the illusion. A little bit of errant and temporary
>>>     mental structure. Discomfort is not a problem (and can't be solved
>>>     by anyone!); it's a trail marker.  Which is to say about exclusion
>>>     and missing out, "welcome!"  The good news is, and the bad news
>>>     is, you're in!  And, it's all still happening Now.
>>>
>>>     As I scroll up to send tha now, I notice the word tyranny again in
>>>     the subject. Is it not some kind of tyranny we all attempt over
>>>     and over again when we expect and insist that the world explain
>>>     itself to/for us?  Is this not something of our central challenge,
>>>     something all of us work with?  The edge of open space is an end
>>>     of comfortable, conventional understanding?  Or something?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Tuesday, October 6, 2015, Daniel Mezick via OSList
>>> <<mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>>     <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Hi Harrison,
>>>
>>>         Thanks for the tips on how to search OSLIST and Google, etc. I
>>>         did do those things actually. However, that's a bit of an
>>>         effort, especially searching the OSLIST archives. I guess I
>>>         could eventually pick up OSLIST culture that way, little by
>>>         little. I suppose an earnest person with loads of time could
>>>         sift through OSLIST archives to figure this culture out. The
>>>         hard way.
>>>
>>>         However, like the SPIRIT book teaches, there is nothing like a
>>>         good story to convey culture. The kind of story with a
>>>         beginning, a middle and an end.
>>>
>>>         I notice that, when you are the one referring to a certain
>>>         OS-mythos story, you usually tend to include the short list of
>>>         pertinent details, the essential details that provide the
>>>         essential context, so the reader can follow along, and engage.
>>>
>>>         And I'm always grateful for that, as it helps me to follow
>>>         along, and get what you are referring to, and more fully
>>>         understand the story, and feel oddly included in the story.
>>>
>>>
>>>         Earlier, I express how not having the context tends to (for
>>>         me) arouse feelings of: exclusion, cluelessness, and a general
>>>         lack of membership in whatever "historic-OS-mythos-episode" is
>>>         being referred to. Sort of an "out group" feeling. You know?
>>>         Sometimes, I wonder what the poster might be thinking by
>>>         posting random fragments of a "you had to be there" kind of
>>>         story. Other times, I wonder if other readers are also feeling
>>>         these feelings. Or if it is "just me."
>>>
>>>         And so: I am very grateful for your stories, in part because
>>>         you include the pertinent details, and in so doing, make me
>>>         (for one) feel included.
>>>
>>>         So thanks for including the context in your stories. It makes
>>>         them fun, and easy to follow. OSLIST culture certainly has
>>>         it's quirks, and for me, your stories make this culture easier
>>>         to figure out, and navigate, and enjoy.
>>>
>>>
>>>         Getting back to the Tyranny of Structurelessness:
>>>
>>>         Do you think these 3 assertions by the author are actually
>>>         true? Do these ideas have legs?
>>>
>>>           * /This hegemony can be so easily established because the
>>>             idea of "structurelessness" does not prevent the formation
>>>             of informal structures, only formal ones./
>>>           * /For everyone to have the opportunity to be involved in a
>>>             given group and to participate in its activities, the
>>>             structure must be explicit, not implicit. /
>>>           * /It is this informal structure, particularly in
>>>             Unstructured groups, which forms the basis for elites./
>>>
>>>
>>>         Daniel
>>>
>>>         On 10/6/15 10:04 AM, Harrison Owen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Dan, Google can often help.
>>>> <https://www.google.com/#q=ralph+copleman>https://www.google.com/#q=ralph+copleman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         ho
>>>>
>>>>         *From:*OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org]
>>>>         *On Behalf Of *Daniel Mezick via OSList
>>>>         *Sent:* Monday, October 05, 2015 4:51 PM
>>>>         *To:* Harrison Owen; World wide Open Space Technology email 
>>>> list
>>>>         *Subject:* Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness
>>>>
>>>>         Howdy Harrison,
>>>>
>>>>         Thanks for describing the context of the Ralph Copleman
>>>>         story- I'm very thankful for that info.
>>>>
>>>>         I notice that, lots of times here, there are references made
>>>>         to notable OST episodes, and situations from times past...
>>>>
>>>>         ...the "OST-mythos" as it were.
>>>>
>>>>         These mythical stories often have me wondering what I missed,
>>>>         and what I might now be missing. (Being clueless as I am.)
>>>>
>>>>         I'm sure these story-fragment postings are not posted with
>>>>         intent to exclude anyone, or to be discourteous, or unkind.
>>>>         More like: some good old basic camaraderie is taking place
>>>>         between some old friends.
>>>>
>>>>         Still: Do these "inside-story-fragments" on OSLIST tend to
>>>>         evoke feelings of exclusion in readers who were /not/ there
>>>>         at the time?
>>>>
>>>>         Not sure.
>>>>
>>>>         <CONFESSION>
>>>>
>>>>         As for me, personally, I sometimes find myself experiencing
>>>>         curiously odd feelings of exclusion, when a told-fragment of
>>>>         an old OST-mythos story lacks explicit context. So I can
>>>>         follow the story, you know? The terms "outsider" or
>>>>         "clueless" or  "not in the story" describe these feelings
>>>>         fairly well. "Not invited?"
>>>>
>>>>         I sometimes wonder if some of the hundreds of /other/ members
>>>>         of OSLIST ever feel this way...or if it is "just me."
>>>>
>>>>         </CONFESSION>
>>>>
>>>>         Daniel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         On 10/4/15 2:59 PM, Harrison Owen via OSList wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             “Everythingis moving.†  .... Michael -- I remember
>>>>             that moment verywell. And Dan, I’m not sure the
>>>>             context, etc, would helpvery much. But just for the
>>>>             record the odd phrase popped out at one of the
>>>>             International Symposia on Organization Transformation
>>>>             which happened to be taking place at a small college
>>>>             south of Seattle. I have no idea why Ralph said what he
>>>>             did, and I’m not sure Ralph did either. But then againa
>>>>             lot of marvelous stuff seems to burst out with no obvious
>>>>             logic train. Indeed it may be that the lack of logic
>>>>             train enables the thought?
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             Whatever the genesis, the phrase wandered about my head
>>>>             for some time, quite unattached, and it also happened
>>>>             that I was working my way slowly through one of the
>>>>             masterpieces of 20^th century western philosophy when a
>>>>             fuzzy connection began to form. The work was that of
>>>>             Alfred North Whitehead, and the title: “Process and
>>>>             Reality.†I’ve been through thebook probably 4-5
>>>>             times, and I am frank to confess that I don’t think I
>>>>             really understandit. But then again I’veheard  a
>>>>             number of people with much greater credentials, tenure,
>>>>             etc – say the same thing. But I did get that ithad
>>>>             something to do with, “Everything is moving.†Andthe
>>>>             more I thought and read, the more I felt that the good
>>>>             philosopher had made a small mistake on his title. It
>>>>             shouldn’t be “Process/and/ Reality,†but
>>>>             rather“Process*is* Reality.â€
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             Now, Anna Caroline we come to “structure,†or perhaps
>>>>             Ishould say the fallacy of Structure? Yes I know –
>>>>             we’ve all been taught that structure is the precursor,
>>>>             the “determinator†of everything. My face looks as it
>>>>             doesbecause of my bone structure. My life proceeds the
>>>>             way it does because of my social structure. My business
>>>>             works as it does because of the organizational structure.
>>>>             And of course, meetings happen the way they do because of
>>>>             meeting structure, which apparently is the prime domain
>>>>             of “facilitators.†And even if we hadn’t
>>>>             been“taught†all this, the primacy of structure would
>>>>             appearto be blatantly obvious – as plain as the nose on
>>>>             yourface.
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             Unfortunately, it does seem to turn out that sometimes
>>>>             the blatantly obvious is not necessarily so. For example
>>>>             just looking at things it is pretty clear that the world
>>>>             is flat, or at the least bumpy flat. And any fool can see
>>>>             that we are the center of it all – Sun, moon, and stars
>>>>             whiz around us. But when we think about it, as we have
>>>>             been doing for the last 500-600 years, the obvious
>>>>             isn’t so obvious.
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             It is reasonable to ask what would start to make us think
>>>>             differently – to the point that we begin to question
>>>>             theobvious, and even come to see things in a different
>>>>             way? Taking a leap, I will suggest that it all begins
>>>>             with the perception of anomaly. Things just don’t make
>>>>             sense. Our eyes tell us one thing... but???? And then we
>>>>             start making up stories to explain the apparently
>>>>             unexplainable. We imagine different ways of looking at
>>>>             things so that the nonsensical makes sense. Some of those
>>>>             stories get pretty strange, but if they actually work –
>>>>             that is to say, helpus to see in new and useful ways –
>>>>             that’s great!
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             There is, of course, a proper term for the activity I
>>>>             have been describing. It is called Theory Building. And
>>>>             for whatever it is worth, “theory†comes from the
>>>>             Greek “/theoreinâ//€ /– to see. In a word, theories
>>>>             are ways of looking atthings – likely stories you might
>>>>             say.
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             Now, at long last (too long?) we come to the odd story I
>>>>             was starting to tell, to the effect that Structure is
>>>>             only a figment of our imagination, a flash frame of a
>>>>             moment gone by. Interesting, and helpful under some
>>>>             circumstances... but always partial and in a sense
>>>>             illusory. What’s“really†happening is all flow.
>>>>             Everything is moving –That’s Ralph’s story, and I
>>>>             guess it is mine too.
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             So how did I get to such a weird condition? It was all
>>>>             about anomaly – more particularly, the anomaly of Open
>>>>             Space.Everything that I had ever learned told me that it
>>>>             could not work. Unfortunately it did (work) – and not
>>>>             just once, butevery time, hundreds of thousands of times.
>>>>             Something was definitely weird. It seemed to me that I
>>>>             had to re-consider all those things I thought I had
>>>>             learned, beginning with the basics... such things as
>>>>             Structure.
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             Common sense would say that Open Space works because we
>>>>             somehow created a structure that enabled it to work.
>>>>             That’s theway things get done, or so I had been taught.
>>>>             But that’snot the way things happened in Open Space.
>>>>             Structure emerged along the way and only momentarily.
>>>>             Worse yet it (structure) seemed to have little to do with
>>>>             the obvious power, connections, creativity.... all of
>>>>             which created structures, and passed them by. And
>>>>             actually it always seemed to me that the “structuresâ€
>>>>             I “saw†existed only because Iwanted to see them –
>>>>             or perhaps that I “should†seethem. But they were only
>>>>             momentary wisps, figments – neverto be mistaken for
>>>>             what was really going on. Or so I’vebeen thinking.
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             Harrison
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             *From:*OSList
>>>>             [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On
>>>>             Behalf Of *Michael Herman via OSList
>>>>             *Sent:* Saturday, October 03, 2015 6:31 PM
>>>>             *To:* JL Walker; World wide Open Space Technology email 
>>>> list
>>>>             *Subject:* Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             you remind me, harrison, of one morning news session
>>>>             years ago, somewhere, probably OT... where ralph copleman
>>>>             walked to the center of the circle and announced, all
>>>>             serious and mischievous at the same time, "it's all
>>>>             moving!" Â
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             then put the stick down and went back to his seat.Â
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>             --
>>>>
>>>>             Michael Herman
>>>>             Michael Herman Associates
>>>>             http://MichaelHerman.com
>>>>             http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 1:47 PM, JL Walker via OSList
>>>>             <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             I was thinking that maybe the antidote to the eventual
>>>>             tyranny of structurelessness is to open space, again and
>>>>             again, until true democracy can emerge.
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             Juan Luis
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             *De:*OSList
>>>>             [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>>> <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] *En
>>>>             nombre de *Rosa Zubizarreta via OSList
>>>>             *Enviado el:* sábado, 03 de octubre de 2015 12:19
>>>>             *Para:* Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space Technology
>>>>             email list
>>>>             *Asunto:* Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             Hi Daniel,
>>>>
>>>>             Yes, this is a key piece... I see it as very similar in
>>>>             some ways to what Ken Wilber wrote later,
>>>>
>>>>             about the "shadow side of the green meme". (Each meme has
>>>>             its own shadow, as well as its own gift...)
>>>>
>>>>             So, I love "green". I love circles, I love non-hierarchy,
>>>>             etc.
>>>>             And, part of the "shadow side of the green meme" is how
>>>>             ideologically anti-structure it can become...
>>>>
>>>>             to the point where some people may not even agree that
>>>>             OST does, in fact, offer a very simple and effective
>>>>             structure.
>>>>
>>>>             By way contrast, think of a situation where group of
>>>>             people (who don't know about OST, and/or, who are having
>>>>             a power struggle around "which process to use",
>>>>             and/or.... ) might easily spending a whole weekend
>>>>             arguing /about /"how to self-organize ourselves"... with
>>>>             a great deal more pain and frustration and a great deal
>>>>             less value.
>>>>
>>>>             whereas, instead, IF someone knows about OST, and, a
>>>>             clear invitation has been extended, and, there is enough
>>>>             trust/suspension of disbelief so that participants are
>>>>             willing to enter into that format,
>>>>
>>>>             then, we end up with a very simple and elegant structure
>>>>             that allows people to self-organize beautifully....
>>>>
>>>>             at least that's how i see it! :-)
>>>>
>>>>             with all best wishes,
>>>>
>>>>             Rosa
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             */Rosa Zubizarreta/*
>>>>
>>>>             /Developing Participatory and Co-intelligent Leadership
>>>>             Author of *From Conflict to Creative Collaboration*
>>>>             <http://www.conflict2creativity.com>/
>>>>
>>>>             /For more resources and learning opportunities, visit
>>>> *<http://www.DiaPraxis.com>www.DiaPraxis.com
>>>>             <http://www.DiaPraxis.com>*/
>>>>
>>>>             Â
>>>>
>>>>             On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList
>>>>             <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             THE TYRANNY of STRUCTURELESSNESS
>>>>             by Jo Freeman aka Joreen
>>>>
>>>>             I find this essay extremely interesting. I hope you do, 
>>>> too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Here is a pertinent quote, from the essay:
>>>>             ".../the idea of "structurelessness" does not prevent the
>>>>             formation of informal structures, only formal ones."
>>>>
>>>>             /
>>>>             Circa 1970. Context: the women's movement. Quick summary
>>>>             of the main points: from the essay...
>>>>
>>>>             ï‚·/During the years in which the women's liberation
>>>>             movement has been taking shape, a great emphasis has been
>>>>             placed on what are called leaderless, structureless
>>>>             groups as the main -- if not sole -- organizational form
>>>>             of the movement. /
>>>>
>>>>             ï‚·/The idea of "structurelessness," however, has moved
>>>>             from a healthy counter to those tendencies, to becoming a
>>>>             goddess in its own right./
>>>>
>>>>             ï‚·/Contrary to what we would like to believe, there is
>>>>             no such thing as a structureless group. /
>>>>
>>>>             ï‚·/This means that to strive for a structureless group
>>>>             is as useful, and as deceptive, as to aim at an
>>>>             "objective" news story, "value-free" social science, or a
>>>>             "free" economy. A "laissez faire" group is about as
>>>>             realistic as a "laissez faire" society; the idea becomes
>>>>             a smokescreen for the strong or the lucky to establish
>>>>             unquestioned hegemony over others. /
>>>>
>>>>             ï‚·/This hegemony can be so easily established because
>>>>             the idea of "structurelessness" does not prevent the
>>>>             formation of informal structures, only formal ones. /
>>>>
>>>>             ï‚·/For everyone to have the opportunity to be involved
>>>>             in a given group and to participate in its activities,
>>>>             the structure must be explicit, not implicit. /
>>>>
>>>>             ï‚·/It is this informal structure, particularly in
>>>>             Unstructured groups, which forms the basis for elites./
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Just in case you have not yet encountered the full text
>>>>             of this essay, here it is:
>>>>
>>>>             THE TYRANNY of STRUCTURELESSNESS
>>>>             by Jo Freeman aka Joreen
>>>>             http://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Regards,
>>>>             Daniel
>>>>             http://www.OpenSpaceAgility.com/about
>>>>             http://www.DanielMezick.com
>>>>             203 915 7248 <tel:203%20915%207248>
>>>>
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>>>         Daniel Mezick, President
>>>
>>>         New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>>
>>>         (203) 915 7248 <tel:%28203%29%20915%207248> (cell)
>>>
>>>         Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
>>>         <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
>>>         <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>>>
>>>         Examine my new book:The Culture Game
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools
>>>         for the Agile Manager.
>>>
>>>         Explore Agile Team Training
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and
>>>         Coaching. 
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>>>
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>>     --
>>
>>     Daniel Mezick, President
>>
>>     New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>
>>     (203) 915 7248 <tel:%28203%29%20915%207248> (cell)
>>
>>     Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
>>     <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
>>     <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>>
>>     Examine my new book:The Culture Game
>>     <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the
>>     Agile Manager.
>>
>>     Explore Agile Team Training
>>     <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
>>     <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>>
>>     Explore the Agile Boston
>>     <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>Community.
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(203) 915 7248 (cell)

Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog 
<http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.

Examine my new book:The Culture Game 
<http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the 
Agile Manager.

Explore Agile Team Training 
<http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching. 
<http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>

Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>Community.

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