[OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Oh yes i remember we talked about voluntaryists! Reminds me of my intensive
study of what Ted Roszak called "mystical anarchists" among whom he named
Tolstoy and Buber and Gandhi, as well as the ecological anarchists like
Murry Bookchin, and nonviolent society thinkers like AJ Muste.

The impulse to self governance is strong. Can't be denied in the long term.
The outcome for the young sprawling settlement experiment called USA feels
more unclear than ever.

I still carry your image of Mr. Trump opening space on the mall. But not as
a speech on his views and topics. I don't want him to be president, but I
do want the next president to open space on the mall in a genuine way.

Jeff
On Dec 9, 2015 2:38 PM, "Daniel Mezick" <dan at newtechusa.net> wrote:

> "Opening space for fascism" I can understand and experience as a
> non-starter. Does censoring speech increase of decrease liberty? If speech
> was not censored, would Trump have any traction at all? The latter question
> is difficult to answer, the former is not.
>
> For the record, I do not currently engage in electoral politics whatsoever
> and therefore do not support Mr. Trump, or anyone else, for any office,
> anywhere. Something about legitimate authority and it dependency on
> legitimate consent:
>
> http://voluntaryist.com/
> Voluntaryists are advocates of non-political, non-violent strategies to
> achieve a free society. We reject electoral politics
> <http://voluntaryist.com/nonvoting/index.html>, in theory and in
> practice. Governments must cloak their actions in an aura of moral
> legitimacy in order to sustain their power, and political methods
> invariably strengthen that legitimacy. Voluntaryists seek instead to *delegitimize
> the State* through education <http://voluntaryist.com/articles/040.html>,
> and *we advocate withdrawal of the cooperation and tacit consent* on
> which State power ultimately depends.
>
> See also: Is Voting an Act of Violence?
> http://voluntaryist.com/articles/103.html#.VmisWnvsdek
>
> On 12/9/15 4:55 PM, Jeff Aitken wrote:
>
> I hear you Daniel. There are needs not being addressed, and here's a guy
> saying he will address them.
>
> I don't share the perspective that Mr. Trump's rhetoric has not been
> openly shared for years in the public square. Unless Fox News and several
> allied websites and radio talk shows are not considered to be the public
> square.
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> I see a difference between censorship and the fact that these ideas have
> not gained traction in a large majority of the US American public. Maybe
> they are just bad ideas, stoking the fears of a shrinking portion of the
> electorate.
>
> I imagine it's a relief and exciting to his supporters to hear a US
> presidential candidate speak them on the campaign trail. Except that other
> candidates have done so in this and previous US elections. He's better at
> it as a personality, sure. Maybe that's key.
>
> He is being more provocative than ever these days, and perhaps opening
> space for fascism is indeed bringing something out of the shadows that will
> eventually have a healthy outcome when it is defeated soundly, and its
> adherents open their hearts to the Others who have been demonized.
>
> (One of my former colleagues hosts space for children of Nazis and
> children of Holocaust survivors to reconcile the historical trauma. Very
> powerful.)
>
> But inciting supporters to physically attack people across the continent
> is way more like closing space than opening it.
>
> Thanks for the conversation - perhaps we will find common ground at some
> point.
>
> Jeff
>
> I wonder if I am not such a good communicator.
>
> Setting aside the topic of the uninviting and unlovely for a moment, let
> us return to the issue of suppression and repression of thoughts which want
> legitimate expression. "Closed space" suppresses. And represses. And
> OPPRESSES. In this case, there is suppression and repression and OPPRESSION
> of conversations that want to happen, apparently. Guessing.
>
> Is this the entire source of energy-- the "fuel"--  for the so-called
> "space invader" Mr. Trump?
>
> *Pretend*, just for the moment, that what I am about to say is true....
>
> (Please prepare to pretend. And go there. Pretend. If you cannot go there
> now, you are not advised to scroll further at this time.)
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> Mr. Trump is OPENING some space, to discuss and OPENLY question: borders,
> boundaries, illegal immigration, globalist trade with China, etc.
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> Apparently, many in the electorate are approving (authorizing) these
> conversations as offered by Mr. Trump, conversations that have not found
> any quarter, no space whatsoever for uncensored and legitimately open
> expression in the public square. The term censorship comes to mind.
>
> Perhaps space has been closed around the discussion of these difficult
> topics for so very long, that what Mr. Trump is doing, besides being quite
> obnoxious, also quite refreshing to many people who are happy to see their
> thoughts and feelings and ideas and concerns expressed in SOME way the
> public square. Mr. Trump resonates. How is this so? Such a situation seemed
> impossible just a few short months ago.
>
> Perhaps Mr. Trump is accessing the deep shadow energy that results from an
> unrelenting and constant suppression and "repression of expression" around
> difficult issues. Closed space.
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> Mr. Trump seems to be accessing what has unwisely been suppressed and
> repressed.
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> *How is this even possible if the marketplace of ideas is legitimately
> open for business?*
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> And so I conclude that Mr. Trump is OPENING space. Yes, he is being
> violent. Yes he is being obnoxious. Set that aside for now.
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> As an exercise, imagine an outrageously obnoxious Open Space called by Mr.
> Trump, on the Mall in DC.
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> The theme is* MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN: IN SERVICE TO WHAT*
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> Hmm, all the conditions for a good Open Space appear to be present.
>
> I wonder what kind of experience my ensue, who and how many might show up
> to question that slogan, defend that slogan, discuss "what it means," etc.
>
> As it stands, the space is closed, so let's not go there. More dark energy
> thus created. Advantage Trump.
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> </HISTRIONIC RANT>
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> </HERETICAL EXPRESSION OF THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS>
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> On 12/9/15 2:27 PM, Jeff Aitken wrote:
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> > Hey Daniel, I don't think Mr. Trump has any problem finding his breakout
> in the open space of the contemporary world. I find the issue exactly to be
> that he wishes to close off the space to others.
> >
> > He's being a space invader. How do you handle a space invader? Maybe if
> we both gave him a big hug.
> >
> > Jeff
>
> I wonder if I am not such a good communicator.
>
> Setting aside the topic of the uninviting and unlovely for a moment, let
> us return to the issue of suppression and repression of thoughts which want
> legitimate expression. "Closed space" suppresses. And represses. And
> OPPRESSES. In this case, there is suppression and repression and OPPRESSION
> of conversations that want to happen, apparently. Guessing.
>
> Is this the entire source of energy-- the "fuel"--  for the so-called
> "space invader" Mr. Trump?
>
> *Pretend*, just for the moment, that what I am about to say is true....
>
>
> (Please prepare to pretend. And go there. Pretend. If you cannot go there
> now, you are not advised to scroll further at this time.)
>
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> <HERETICAL EXPRESSION OF THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS>
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> <HISTRIONIC RANT>
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> Mr. Trump is OPENING some space, to discuss and OPENLY question: borders,
> boundaries, illegal immigration, globalist trade with China, etc.
>
> Apparently, many in the electorate are approving (authorizing) these
> conversations as offered by Mr. Trump, conversations that have not found
> any quarter, no space whatsoever for uncensored and legitimately open
> expression in the public square. The term censorship comes to mind.
>
> Perhaps space has been closed around the discussion of these difficult
> topics for so very long, that what Mr. Trump is doing, besides being quite
> obnoxious, also quite refreshing to many people who are happy to see their
> thoughts and feelings and ideas and concerns expressed in SOME way the
> public square. Mr. Trump resonates. How is this so? Such a situation seemed
> impossible just a few short months ago.
>
> Perhaps Mr. Trump is accessing the deep shadow energy that results from an
> unrelenting and constant suppression and "repression of expression" around
> difficult issues. Closed space.
>
> Mr. Trump seems to be accessing what has unwisely been suppressed and
> repressed.
>
> *How is this even possible if the marketplace of ideas is legitimately
> open for business? *
>
> And so I conclude that Mr. Trump is OPENING space. Yes, he is being
> violent. Yes he is being obnoxious. Set that aside for now.
>
>
>
>
> As an exercise, imagine an outrageously obnoxious Open Space called by Mr.
> Trump, on the Mall in DC.
>
> The theme is *MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN: IN SERVICE TO WHAT*
>
> Hmm, all the conditions for a good Open Space appear to be present.
>
> I wonder what kind of experience my ensue, who and how many might show up
> to question that slogan, defend that slogan, discuss "what it means," etc.
>
> As it stands, the space is closed, so let's not go there. More dark energy
> thus created. Advantage Trump.
>
>
>
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> </HISTRIONIC RANT>
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> </HERETICAL EXPRESSION OF THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS>
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> On 12/9/15 2:27 PM, Jeff Aitken wrote:
>
> Hey Daniel, I don't think Mr. Trump has any problem finding his breakout
> in the open space of the contemporary world. I find the issue exactly to be
> that he wishes to close off the space to others.
>
> He's being a space invader. How do you handle a space invader? Maybe if we
> both gave him a big hug.
>
> Jeff
> On Dec 9, 2015 11:10 AM, "Daniel Mezick via OSList" <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Are we to invite only those who are inviting?  *Only* those who are
>> lovely?
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>> If we invite the uninviting and love the unlovely, the rest is up to
>> them.
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>> Is it not?
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>> Isn't that how opening space actually goes?
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>> Daniel
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>> PS See also:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performative_contradiction
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>> On 12/9/15 1:30 PM, Jan Höglund via OSList wrote:
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>> Well, who does Donal Trump invite? Not Muslims obviously.
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>> I just read "Talking to the Enemy" by Scott Atran
>> https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/14848338-talking-to-the-enemy
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>> Yes, it's about opening space...
>>
>> I'll write a book review some day.
>>
>> /Jan
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>> To: oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 09:49:23 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with
>> whomever as often as you can
>> From: oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
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>> Wait. Is Donald Trump invited? His ideas?
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>> Because: if he is not, if they are not, if those ideas are not, then: the
>> space that is purportedly open is in fact closed.
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>> Perhaps this dynamic is what causing Trump's various expressions to
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>> http://www.trans4mind.com/jamesharveystout/repress.htm
>> Repression. It is similar to suppression in that a thought or feeling or
>> emotion is not expressed -- but in repression, we deny that the element
>> even exists.
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>> On 12/8/15 7:48 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList wrote:
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>> “Donald Trump calls for ‘total’ ban on Muslims entering United States”
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>> (Washington Post 12/8/15)
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>> Donald Trump has said what some people here in the USA (and elsewhere in
>> the world) have also been saying and feeling. These are the words of fear.
>> Unfortunately they are also the words of a demagogue, seeking to play upon
>> the fears of others. That there is danger is clear, but an infinitely
>> greater danger is that we sacrifice our essential humanity to our fear.
>> Sealing our borders, closing our doors and windows... we close our space.
>> And while it may appear safer, that is an allusion. Life cannot be lived
>> without space to live in. We are no exception.
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>> Recently we have been celebrating the warmth and depth of this global
>> community. It is a wonder. But the beauty of this community is not an
>> inherent gift, I believe. Rather it is the reflection of what we do.
>> Opening Space. Opening space is not magic. We did not invent it. It is not
>> even complicated. At root level it is simply inviting people to be fully
>> who and what they are, to greet each other and to enjoy the space. We can
>> do it. We can invite others to do it. And now is the time.
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>> Harrison
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