[OSList] control?

[Kevin O'Brien]

Michael,
In response to your corollary, I think the feeling of being controlled (not
free) comes from not knowing how (knowledge) and/or not being able
(available resources, belief system, physical barrier) to fulfill your
human needs. For me, the level of pain experienced in exercising your
freedom is environment and consciousness dependent. Changing your
environment (relationships, workplace, city, country, region) or conscious
belief system can sometimes be very difficult.

Kevin


On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 1:00 AM, David Osborne <dosborne at change-fusion.com>
wrote:

>  Michael....
>
>  My experience of human systems is that control is often exerted and it's
> actually rare that it isn't. Exerting control is very different to me than
> bing in control. While those exerting control may have a high degree of
> influence in the system but they are not in complete control. External
> forces are one source of influence that are often beyond control
> and....choice is always present for individuals although the perceived cost
> may be high. I'd suggest the cost to the soul of staying in the system are
> high too.
>
>  David
>
>
>  On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 12:22 AM, Michael Wood <michael.wood at uwa.edu.au>
> wrote:
>
>>  In OST work we may find ourselves declaring that ‘no one is in
>> control’.  I think that’s probably largely true in my own experience. I
>> rarely feel like I’m in control of anything, and certainly not of anyone
>> else. Realising this has been very liberating.
>>
>>
>>
>> And yet what are the full implications of this statement?  I’m supporting
>> people in a large hierarchically structured organisation where a lot of
>> staff feel very disempowered. In effect,  they feel ‘controlled’. How?
>> Fairly simple things like if they resist the punishing demands being placed
>> on them (do more with less), then their contracts will not be renewed. Or
>> we might take a more dramatic example of places where people find their
>> liberty curtailed at the end of a gun. They may also feel like they are
>> being ‘controlled’.
>>
>>
>>
>> At one level these are people are ‘free’ to resist but at the likely cost
>> of their job, or their life.
>>
>>
>>
>> So when we say ‘no-one is in control’, is the corollary of this statement
>> that ‘we all have freedom and exercising that freedom might be very
>> painful’?
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Wood
>>
>> Perth, Western Australia
>>
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