[OSList] ADD TO MARIE”S STATE OF THE TIME BANK MEMOIR

[Marie Nelson]

ADD TO MARIE”S STATE OF THE TIME BANK MEMOIR

From: oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Harold Shinsato
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [OSList] From linkedin today

Harrison,

It seemed like you were having a problem with understanding when you wrote the following:
"When I was confronted with what was happening in Open Space (25 years ago) it made absolutely no sense to me at all. And what makes no sense does not lend itself to understanding. I “knew,” as did everybody else of my age, background and training – that what seemed to be taking place in Open Space simply could not happen. Organization was something that we created, managed, and controlled."
There are so many theoretical frameworks that have begun to embody the more adaptive systems thinking required maybe not to fully understand, but to start to improve our models of organization not something as something we impose - but something that we can nurture, cultivate, or just open ourselves to experience.

It seems like this thread has been about understanding self-organization. I love that you brought something from Quantum Mechanics that "somebody's formulation was good, but not crazy enough to be true." This reminds me of the Tao Te Ching. The Tao that can be spoken is not the true Tao.

It reminds me a lot of what you wrote in Spirit, and which you mentioned in your TED talk. Story tellers don't tell the truth. But in the story, truth emerges. Probably between the words.

If we can hold our theories in the same fashion as "a likely story", maybe we'll start being able to tell better stories (theories).

    Harold

On 1/10/14 5:08 PM, Harrison Owen wrote:
Harold – I have no problem with “understanding.” Good and useful enterprise. Question is: Understanding of what? And in what frame or context. I think we have come to a point where we “understand” ☺ that there are multiple logics, each appropriate to different senses of reality. Newtonian Physics really does work. AND Quantum Mechanics was/is crazy. In fact one of the framers of Quantum Mechanics (Heisenberg I think) remarked that that somebody’s formulation was good, but not crazy enough to be true. Or something.  I think we may be at a similar paradigm/shift point. We’ll see how it all turn out.

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