[OSList] “regular lurker” + our OSTLIST web platform

Chris Corrigan via OSList oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
Mon Dec 15 18:26:35 PST 2014 

I was once stopped at the US border and asked what work I was doing in the USA.  I told the border officer that I was facilitating Open Space Technology.

He paused for a moment and then narrowed his eyes and said “I didn’t know our space technology WAS open.  And I can’t imagine what or who you are facilitating with it.”

I spent two hours in secondary screening, which including looking through websites with another border officer who concluded that “this is cool.”

Strike one for the good guys.  

Chris


> On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Jeff Aitken via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Harold. Great work.
> 
> I note with sly smile that some people who join the Facebook group
> "Open Space Technology" turn out to be interested in cool topics like
> satellite traffic around the Earth, and traveling to other galaxies
> thru wormholes.
> 
> While this has a certain resonance with our topics, we're not yet at
> the level of blending these domains. I look forward to that day...
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/15/14, Harold Shinsato via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>> Thanks for all the input about OSLIST. I manage the OSLIST on behalf of
>> the Open Space Institute U.S., and we hold this responsibility very
>> seriously. There is no plan to replace the OSLIST. But it is always
>> possible that changes may become a good idea, or necessary. When our
>> ListServ at Boise State was going to expire, the OSLIST moved from
>> ListServ to Gnu Mailman. The functionality is essentially the same,
>> although the email address changed as did the management software and
>> out internet service provider (thank to World Blu certified DreamHost
>> for their free hosting of 501(c)(3) non-profit organizations!) But given
>> how well our simple email interface works for us, I can't imagine that
>> changing anytime soon.
>> 
>> I like what Michael Herman said about adding offerings. Although there
>> is a strong call not to make any changes, I hope that folks will not be
>> discouraged from thinking of adding to (or augmenting) the set of
>> platforms our community can use - even if many people like what we have
>> now. The membership on the facebook and linkedin Open Space lists are
>> growing much more rapidly that the OSLIST - and even though the depth
>> and engagement on those platforms is vastly inferior to what we have
>> managed to accomplish here - it seems wise to pay attention. To me at
>> least, it would be a shame if private corporations managed to take
>> ownership of our community membership list and archives because the
>> OSLIST failed to keep up with the needs of our community.
>> 
>> The OSI-US is meeting today in an hour. Given how useful Daniel Mezick's
>> games have been, we are likely to run a small survey to our community
>> around a temperature check on the user experience of the OSLIST, our
>> culture, and solicit feedback about ways we can get better that won't
>> require posting to the whole community. Please feel free to message me
>> privately, or the entire list, if you have suggestions about such a survey.
>> 
>> Thanks everyone for contributing to both the "meeting" facilitation
>> process and the wonderful way of being that is Open Space.
>> 
>>     Regards,
>>     Harold
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/15/14 2:02 PM, Chris Corrigan via OSList wrote:
>>> OSLIST is not merely a tool, it is a culture.
>>> 
>>> Replacing it will create a radical disruption to the culture that has
>>> been around for almost 20 years.  So there’s that.
>>> 
>>> I don’t see a reason to change the list or replace it, and I’m not
>>> especially inspired by any other ways to connect around OST practice.
>>> The best is those of you that actively blog and share your learnings
>>> online.  I get all those in my feed reader, although folks seem to be
>>> blogging less and less these days in favour of facebook it seems.  But
>>> no matter.  OSLIST trucks along.
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 13, 2014, at 7:10 PM, Elwin and Joan via OSList
>>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Michael,
>>>> 
>>>> You sir are truly a give of God.
>>>> 
>>>> We all are in your debt.
>>>> 
>>>> Elwin Guild
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Michael Herman via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>>
>>>> *To:* Patricia Haines <levelgreen2010 at gmail.com <mailto:levelgreen2010 at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:levelgreen2010 at gmail.com <mailto:levelgreen2010 at gmail.com>>>; World wide Open Space Technology
>>>> email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:22 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] “regular lurker” + our OSTLIST web platform
>>>> 
>>>> I think it was about 1998 when murkier, who started the list at boise
>>>> state univ, suggested moving the list to a fancy up-and-coming
>>>> platform called egroups. It was a threaded discussion email site. In
>>>> my memory, must be the biggest and most energized conversation we
>>>> ever had on this list. In the end, it was rejected. And where is
>>>> egroups today?
>>>> 
>>>> At openspaceworld.org <http://openspaceworld.org/> <http://openspaceworld.org/ <http://openspaceworld.org/>>, since 1999, we
>>>> have had discussion forums, wiki, wordpress group blog, but the I
>>>> think the best thing we did was that I wrote some "about OST" stuff
>>>> and artur de silva suggested that it ought to be in languages other
>>>> than English. He volunteered to do Spanish andPortuguese, others did
>>>> their languages too. The tasks were simple and defined and got done
>>>> whenever anyone came forward and offered something. Now we have links
>>>> to intro material in 17 languages I think. All completely unplanned,
>>>> but supported by just keeping the site online.
>>>> 
>>>> In the meantime, there is a Wikipedia page, a Facebook group, a Ning
>>>> community, the os hotline, and any number of regional lists and
>>>> groups and meet ups of various shapes and frequencies.
>>>> 
>>>> it's easy to design and build a site or platform, but yet another
>>>> thing to keep it going and up to date. And I don't think we can build
>>>> anything and expect it to both replace an established community
>>>> center and also grow past it, succeeding where every past effort has
>>>> not.
>>>> 
>>>> At the same time, none of those prior offerings really set out to
>>>> replace anything, I think. They all just offered something else. And
>>>> that is an approach that seems very open spacey to me, to just do
>>>> something, try something, offer something and see what happens. It
>>>> might displace everything or nothing, but that won't matter. It's the
>>>> offering, I think, that keep us going.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm glad to offer sub domain space at openspaceworld.org <http://openspaceworld.org/>
>>>> <http://openspaceworld.org/ <http://openspaceworld.org/>> for anything that wants building and
>>>> trying. Done this with many language wikis over the years.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm also getting ready to cleanup at openspaceworld.org <http://openspaceworld.org/>
>>>> <http://openspaceworld.org/ <http://openspaceworld.org/>>, so anyone who wants to help think and
>>>> do about that is welcome. It's the one big site/platform we have
>>>> that's completely unconstrained by the structures imposed by service
>>>> companies like Facebook. So we can do anything we want there to tie
>>>> all the other things together, as long as we also find a way to
>>>> maintain past contributions.
>>>> 
>>>> I always keep looking for ways for openspaceworld.org <http://openspaceworld.org/>
>>>> <http://openspaceworld.org/ <http://openspaceworld.org/>> to virtually disappear, into just a set
>>>> of links, something michael pannwitz suggested to me when the site
>>>> was still just six months old, and in that way to suggest
>>>> and demonstrate that os is much bigger than any of these platforms.
>>>> 
>>>> Michael
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Saturday, December 13, 2014, Patricia Haines via OSList
>>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>    Please don't replace this listserv with something complicated!
>>>> 
>>>>    Level Green Institute: fostering just & sustainable community
>>>>    through education and the arts
>>>> 
>>>>    On Dec 13, 2014, at 5:35 AM, Arturo Uscategui-Colaboremos via
>>>>    OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Dear All,
>>>>>    And what if we set a team to design, develop, deliver and
>>>>>    maintain our new wonderful OSTLIST web platform, which will be
>>>>>    up to the requirements to replace this OSLIST?
>>>>>    This team could work on an Agile way.
>>>>>    I’ll be happy to contribute. I don’t know exactly how, but I’ll
>>>>>    be there to do it together with those who wish to do it also.
>>>>>    ;)
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>>>>>    www.colaboremos.com <http://www.colaboremos.com/> <http://www.colaboremos.com/ <http://www.colaboremos.com/>>
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>>>>>    Transition Facilitator Specialized in Organizational Development.
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