[OSList] “regular lurker” + our OSTLIST web platform

Tue Dec 16 05:10:02 PST 2014

Chris I've always appreciated your work across borders of all kinds. Great story!

Jeff

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From: Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com> 
Date:12/15/2014  6:26 PM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>,World wide Open Space Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> 
Cc: Harold Shinsato <harold at shinsato.com> 
Subject: Re: [OSList] “regular lurker” + our OSTLIST web platform 

I was once stopped at the US border and asked what work I was doing in the USA.  I told the border officer that I was facilitating Open Space Technology.

He paused for a moment and then narrowed his eyes and said “I didn’t know our space technology WAS open.  And I can’t imagine what or who you are facilitating with it.”

I spent two hours in secondary screening, which including looking through websites with another border officer who concluded that “this is cool.”

Strike one for the good guys.  

Chris

On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Jeff Aitken via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

Thanks Harold. Great work.

I note with sly smile that some people who join the Facebook group
"Open Space Technology" turn out to be interested in cool topics like
satellite traffic around the Earth, and traveling to other galaxies
thru wormholes.

While this has a certain resonance with our topics, we're not yet at
the level of blending these domains. I look forward to that day...

Jeff

On 12/15/14, Harold Shinsato via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
Thanks for all the input about OSLIST. I manage the OSLIST on behalf of
the Open Space Institute U.S., and we hold this responsibility very
seriously. There is no plan to replace the OSLIST. But it is always
possible that changes may become a good idea, or necessary. When our
ListServ at Boise State was going to expire, the OSLIST moved from
ListServ to Gnu Mailman. The functionality is essentially the same,
although the email address changed as did the management software and
out internet service provider (thank to World Blu certified DreamHost
for their free hosting of 501(c)(3) non-profit organizations!) But given
how well our simple email interface works for us, I can't imagine that
changing anytime soon.

I like what Michael Herman said about adding offerings. Although there
is a strong call not to make any changes, I hope that folks will not be
discouraged from thinking of adding to (or augmenting) the set of
platforms our community can use - even if many people like what we have
now. The membership on the facebook and linkedin Open Space lists are
growing much more rapidly that the OSLIST - and even though the depth
and engagement on those platforms is vastly inferior to what we have
managed to accomplish here - it seems wise to pay attention. To me at
least, it would be a shame if private corporations managed to take
ownership of our community membership list and archives because the
OSLIST failed to keep up with the needs of our community.

The OSI-US is meeting today in an hour. Given how useful Daniel Mezick's
games have been, we are likely to run a small survey to our community
around a temperature check on the user experience of the OSLIST, our
culture, and solicit feedback about ways we can get better that won't
require posting to the whole community. Please feel free to message me
privately, or the entire list, if you have suggestions about such a survey.

Thanks everyone for contributing to both the "meeting" facilitation
process and the wonderful way of being that is Open Space.

    Regards,
    Harold

On 12/15/14 2:02 PM, Chris Corrigan via OSList wrote:
OSLIST is not merely a tool, it is a culture.

Replacing it will create a radical disruption to the culture that has
been around for almost 20 years. So there’s that.

I don’t see a reason to change the list or replace it, and I’m not
especially inspired by any other ways to connect around OST practice.
The best is those of you that actively blog and share your learnings
online. I get all those in my feed reader, although folks seem to be
blogging less and less these days in favour of facebook it seems. But
no matter. OSLIST trucks along.

Chris

On Dec 13, 2014, at 7:10 PM, Elwin and Joan via OSList
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
<mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:

Michael,

You sir are truly a give of God.

We all are in your debt.

Elwin Guild

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*From:* Michael Herman via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
<mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
*To:* Patricia Haines <levelgreen2010 at gmail.com
<mailto:levelgreen2010 at gmail.com>>; World wide Open Space Technology
email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
<mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
*Sent:* Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:22 PM
*Subject:* Re: [OSList] “regular lurker” + our OSTLIST web platform

I think it was about 1998 when murkier, who started the list at boise
state univ, suggested moving the list to a fancy up-and-coming
platform called egroups. It was a threaded discussion email site. In
my memory, must be the biggest and most energized conversation we
ever had on this list. In the end, it was rejected. And where is
egroups today?

At openspaceworld.org <http://openspaceworld.org/>, since 1999, we
have had discussion forums, wiki, wordpress group blog, but the I
think the best thing we did was that I wrote some "about OST" stuff
and artur de silva suggested that it ought to be in languages other
than English. He volunteered to do Spanish andPortuguese, others did
their languages too. The tasks were simple and defined and got done
whenever anyone came forward and offered something. Now we have links
to intro material in 17 languages I think. All completely unplanned,
but supported by just keeping the site online.

In the meantime, there is a Wikipedia page, a Facebook group, a Ning
community, the os hotline, and any number of regional lists and
groups and meet ups of various shapes and frequencies.

it's easy to design and build a site or platform, but yet another
thing to keep it going and up to date. And I don't think we can build
anything and expect it to both replace an established community
center and also grow past it, succeeding where every past effort has
not.

At the same time, none of those prior offerings really set out to
replace anything, I think. They all just offered something else. And
that is an approach that seems very open spacey to me, to just do
something, try something, offer something and see what happens. It
might displace everything or nothing, but that won't matter. It's the
offering, I think, that keep us going.

I'm glad to offer sub domain space at openspaceworld.org
<http://openspaceworld.org/> for anything that wants building and
trying. Done this with many language wikis over the years.

I'm also getting ready to cleanup at openspaceworld.org
<http://openspaceworld.org/>, so anyone who wants to help think and
do about that is welcome. It's the one big site/platform we have
that's completely unconstrained by the structures imposed by service
companies like Facebook. So we can do anything we want there to tie
all the other things together, as long as we also find a way to
maintain past contributions.

I always keep looking for ways for openspaceworld.org
<http://openspaceworld.org/> to virtually disappear, into just a set
of links, something michael pannwitz suggested to me when the site
was still just six months old, and in that way to suggest
and demonstrate that os is much bigger than any of these platforms.

Michael

On Saturday, December 13, 2014, Patricia Haines via OSList
<oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
<mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:

  Please don't replace this listserv with something complicated!

  Level Green Institute: fostering just & sustainable community
  through education and the arts

  On Dec 13, 2014, at 5:35 AM, Arturo Uscategui-Colaboremos via
  OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

  Dear All,
  And what if we set a team to design, develop, deliver and
  maintain our new wonderful OSTLIST web platform, which will be
  up to the requirements to replace this OSLIST?
  This team could work on an Agile way.
  I’ll be happy to contribute. I don’t know exactly how, but I’ll
  be there to do it together with those who wish to do it also.
  ;)
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