[OSList] “regular lurker” + our OSTLIST web platform
Harold Shinsato via OSList
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
Mon Dec 15 13:38:15 PST 2014
Thanks for all the input about OSLIST. I manage the OSLIST on behalf of
the Open Space Institute U.S., and we hold this responsibility very
seriously. There is no plan to replace the OSLIST. But it is always
possible that changes may become a good idea, or necessary. When our
ListServ at Boise State was going to expire, the OSLIST moved from
ListServ to Gnu Mailman. The functionality is essentially the same,
although the email address changed as did the management software and
out internet service provider (thank to World Blu certified DreamHost
for their free hosting of 501(c)(3) non-profit organizations!) But given
how well our simple email interface works for us, I can't imagine that
changing anytime soon.
I like what Michael Herman said about adding offerings. Although there
is a strong call not to make any changes, I hope that folks will not be
discouraged from thinking of adding to (or augmenting) the set of
platforms our community can use - even if many people like what we have
now. The membership on the facebook and linkedin Open Space lists are
growing much more rapidly that the OSLIST - and even though the depth
and engagement on those platforms is vastly inferior to what we have
managed to accomplish here - it seems wise to pay attention. To me at
least, it would be a shame if private corporations managed to take
ownership of our community membership list and archives because the
OSLIST failed to keep up with the needs of our community.
The OSI-US is meeting today in an hour. Given how useful Daniel Mezick's
games have been, we are likely to run a small survey to our community
around a temperature check on the user experience of the OSLIST, our
culture, and solicit feedback about ways we can get better that won't
require posting to the whole community. Please feel free to message me
privately, or the entire list, if you have suggestions about such a survey.
Thanks everyone for contributing to both the "meeting" facilitation
process and the wonderful way of being that is Open Space.
Regards,
Harold
On 12/15/14 2:02 PM, Chris Corrigan via OSList wrote:
> OSLIST is not merely a tool, it is a culture.
>
> Replacing it will create a radical disruption to the culture that has
> been around for almost 20 years. So there’s that.
>
> I don’t see a reason to change the list or replace it, and I’m not
> especially inspired by any other ways to connect around OST practice.
> The best is those of you that actively blog and share your learnings
> online. I get all those in my feed reader, although folks seem to be
> blogging less and less these days in favour of facebook it seems. But
> no matter. OSLIST trucks along.
>
> Chris
>
>> On Dec 13, 2014, at 7:10 PM, Elwin and Joan via OSList
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> You sir are truly a give of God.
>>
>> We all are in your debt.
>>
>> Elwin Guild
>>
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>> *From:* Michael Herman via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>> *To:* Patricia Haines <levelgreen2010 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:levelgreen2010 at gmail.com>>; World wide Open Space Technology
>> email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:22 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] “regular lurker” + our OSTLIST web platform
>>
>> I think it was about 1998 when murkier, who started the list at boise
>> state univ, suggested moving the list to a fancy up-and-coming
>> platform called egroups. It was a threaded discussion email site. In
>> my memory, must be the biggest and most energized conversation we
>> ever had on this list. In the end, it was rejected. And where is
>> egroups today?
>>
>> At openspaceworld.org <http://openspaceworld.org/>, since 1999, we
>> have had discussion forums, wiki, wordpress group blog, but the I
>> think the best thing we did was that I wrote some "about OST" stuff
>> and artur de silva suggested that it ought to be in languages other
>> than English. He volunteered to do Spanish andPortuguese, others did
>> their languages too. The tasks were simple and defined and got done
>> whenever anyone came forward and offered something. Now we have links
>> to intro material in 17 languages I think. All completely unplanned,
>> but supported by just keeping the site online.
>>
>> In the meantime, there is a Wikipedia page, a Facebook group, a Ning
>> community, the os hotline, and any number of regional lists and
>> groups and meet ups of various shapes and frequencies.
>>
>> it's easy to design and build a site or platform, but yet another
>> thing to keep it going and up to date. And I don't think we can build
>> anything and expect it to both replace an established community
>> center and also grow past it, succeeding where every past effort has
>> not.
>>
>> At the same time, none of those prior offerings really set out to
>> replace anything, I think. They all just offered something else. And
>> that is an approach that seems very open spacey to me, to just do
>> something, try something, offer something and see what happens. It
>> might displace everything or nothing, but that won't matter. It's the
>> offering, I think, that keep us going.
>>
>> I'm glad to offer sub domain space at openspaceworld.org
>> <http://openspaceworld.org/> for anything that wants building and
>> trying. Done this with many language wikis over the years.
>>
>> I'm also getting ready to cleanup at openspaceworld.org
>> <http://openspaceworld.org/>, so anyone who wants to help think and
>> do about that is welcome. It's the one big site/platform we have
>> that's completely unconstrained by the structures imposed by service
>> companies like Facebook. So we can do anything we want there to tie
>> all the other things together, as long as we also find a way to
>> maintain past contributions.
>>
>> I always keep looking for ways for openspaceworld.org
>> <http://openspaceworld.org/> to virtually disappear, into just a set
>> of links, something michael pannwitz suggested to me when the site
>> was still just six months old, and in that way to suggest
>> and demonstrate that os is much bigger than any of these platforms.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 13, 2014, Patricia Haines via OSList
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Please don't replace this listserv with something complicated!
>>
>> Level Green Institute: fostering just & sustainable community
>> through education and the arts
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2014, at 5:35 AM, Arturo Uscategui-Colaboremos via
>> OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>> And what if we set a team to design, develop, deliver and
>>> maintain our new wonderful OSTLIST web platform, which will be
>>> up to the requirements to replace this OSLIST?
>>> This team could work on an Agile way.
>>> I’ll be happy to contribute. I don’t know exactly how, but I’ll
>>> be there to do it together with those who wish to do it also.
>>> ;)
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