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Thanks for all the input about OSLIST. I manage the OSLIST on behalf
of the Open Space Institute U.S., and we hold this responsibility
very seriously. There is no plan to replace the OSLIST. But it is
always possible that changes may become a good idea, or necessary.
When our ListServ at Boise State was going to expire, the OSLIST
moved from ListServ to Gnu Mailman. The functionality is essentially
the same, although the email address changed as did the management
software and out internet service provider (thank to World Blu
certified DreamHost for their free hosting of 501(c)(3) non-profit
organizations!) But given how well our simple email interface works
for us, I can't imagine that changing anytime soon.<br>
<br>
I like what Michael Herman said about adding offerings. Although
there is a strong call not to make any changes, I hope that folks
will not be discouraged from thinking of adding to (or augmenting)
the set of platforms our community can use - even if many people
like what we have now. The membership on the facebook and linkedin
Open Space lists are growing much more rapidly that the OSLIST - and
even though the depth and engagement on those platforms is vastly
inferior to what we have managed to accomplish here - it seems wise
to pay attention. To me at least, it would be a shame if private
corporations managed to take ownership of our community membership
list and archives because the OSLIST failed to keep up with the
needs of our community.<br>
<br>
The OSI-US is meeting today in an hour. Given how useful Daniel
Mezick's games have been, we are likely to run a small survey to our
community around a temperature check on the user experience of the
OSLIST, our culture, and solicit feedback about ways we can get
better that won't require posting to the whole community. Please
feel free to message me privately, or the entire list, if you have
suggestions about such a survey.<br>
<br>
Thanks everyone for contributing to both the "meeting" facilitation
process and the wonderful way of being that is Open Space.<br>
<br>
Regards, <br>
Harold<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/15/14 2:02 PM, Chris Corrigan via
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OSLIST is not merely a tool, it is a culture.
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<div class="">Replacing it will create a radical disruption to the
culture that has been around for almost 20 years. So there’s
that.</div>
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<div class="">I don’t see a reason to change the list or replace
it, and I’m not especially inspired by any other ways to connect
around OST practice. The best is those of you that actively
blog and share your learnings online. I get all those in my
feed reader, although folks seem to be blogging less and less
these days in favour of facebook it seems. But no matter.
OSLIST trucks along.</div>
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<div class="">On Dec 13, 2014, at 7:10 PM, Elwin and Joan
via OSList <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Michael Herman via OSList <<a
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class="">levelgreen2010@gmail.com</a>>;
World wide Open Space Technology email list
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class="">Sent:</span></b> Saturday,
December 13, 2014 1:22 PM<br class="">
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class="">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSList]
“regular lurker” + our OSTLIST web platform<br
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class="">I think it was about 1998 when
murkier, who started the list at boise state
univ, suggested moving the list to a fancy
up-and-coming platform called egroups. It
was a threaded discussion email site. In my
memory, must be the biggest and most
energized conversation we ever had on this
list. In the end, it was rejected. And where
is egroups today?
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<div class="">At <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank"
href="http://openspaceworld.org/"
class="">openspaceworld.org</a>, since
1999, we have had discussion forums, wiki,
wordpress group blog, but the I think the
best thing we did was that I wrote some
"about OST" stuff and artur de silva
suggested that it ought to be in languages
other than English. He volunteered to do
Spanish andPortuguese, others did their
languages too. The tasks were simple and
defined and got done whenever anyone came
forward and offered something. Now we have
links to intro material in 17 languages I
think. All completely unplanned,
but supported by just keeping the site
online. </div>
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<div class="">In the meantime, there is a
Wikipedia page, a Facebook group, a Ning
community, the os hotline, and any number
of regional lists and groups and meet ups
of various shapes and frequencies. </div>
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<div class="">it's easy to design and build
a site or platform, but yet another thing
to keep it going and up to date. And I
don't think we can build anything and
expect it to both replace an established
community center and also grow past it,
succeeding where every past effort has
not. </div>
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<div class="">At the same time, none of
those prior offerings really set out to
replace anything, I think. They all just
offered something else. And that is an
approach that seems very open spacey to
me, to just do something, try something,
offer something and see what happens. It
might displace everything or nothing, but
that won't matter. It's the offering, I
think, that keep us going. </div>
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<div class="">I'm glad to offer sub domain
space at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
target="_blank"
href="http://openspaceworld.org/"
class="">openspaceworld.org</a> for
anything that wants building and trying.
Done this with many language wikis over
the years. </div>
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cleanup at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
target="_blank"
href="http://openspaceworld.org/"
class="">openspaceworld.org</a>, so
anyone who wants to help think and do
about that is welcome. It's the one big
site/platform we have that's completely
unconstrained by the structures imposed by
service companies like Facebook. So we can
do anything we want there to tie all the
other things together, as long as we also
find a way to maintain past
contributions. </div>
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I always keep looking for ways for <a
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to virtually disappear, into just a set of
links, something michael pannwitz suggested
to me when the site was still just six
months old, and in that way to suggest
and demonstrate that os is much bigger than
any of these platforms.
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All,</span></div>
<div
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class="" lang="EN-AU">And
what if
we set a team to design,
develop, deliver and
maintain our new
wonderful OSTLIST web
platform,
which will be up to the
requirements to replace
this OSLIST?</span></div>
<div
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class="" lang="EN-AU">This
team
could work on an Agile
way. </span></div>
<div
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class="" lang="EN-AU">I’ll
be
happy to contribute. I
don’t know exactly how,
but I’ll be there to do
it together
with those who wish to
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