[OSList] is our voting software dead?

Thu Aug 28 14:28:19 PDT 2014

ha!  and i don't know if you will be pleased or appalled, peggy, to know
that i was almost certain you would have a copy of that somewhere (my paper
copy is unfindable here and i don't think i ever had a digital one).  i was
going to call you but figured you were probably too busy for such things!
 <grin>

i do remember that that was one of the dozen or so most remarkable
osonos/learning conversations i can remember.  i was drawn to the session
having just come out of a big multivoting day 3 that completely worked and
also did not satisfy me.  i remember a rapid evolution, as captured in the
notes, from voting to opening space inside of open space.  i'm pretty sure
that phrase was born there.

in late 2001 i had another kick from another big multi-voting day 3 and
that really sparked the non-convergence talk with chris, in the midst of
the non-guide editing and then it also spilled into that new round of tmn
conversations that harrison convened in early 2002.

i reported trying "non-convergence" at that time, in what we thought in
2002 was a first trial, but i htink your clippings point to diane being
first reported attempt.  the amazing thing is that it was all still very
new idea in 2002 and voting had decidedly more support/acceptance back then
than we've heard today.

the most interesting part of this story is being able to notice how our
collective view and practice has evolved over the years.  i'm not sure that
gets noticed very often.  am appreciating some other threads of this, that
i can't yet articulate here, as i'm reviewing the structure of
openspaceworld.org, sifting through all the collected bits there, but also
marvelling at the creative boom, tech-supported especially, in the last 5-8
years.

i think i'll be letting the voting software go, adding in the smsharvest
tool, and the osonos5 proceedings.

and did i see you're in chicago sometime soon?

thanks, michael

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On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com>
wrote:

> It’s amazing that we have all been around this long…  :-)
>
> On Aug 28, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Peggy Holman <peggy at peggyholman.com> wrote:
>
> For the historical record….
>
> As Michael mentioned, the original concept was mine. I convened a session
> at OSonOS in Toronto in 1997 called “Day 3” — as in what happens on day 3?
>
> The phrase “opening space for action” is mentioned in the notes. I know I
> brought the *idea* to the session because I remember going into the
> session feeling like I might be bringing a breakthrough. I think that
> phrase emerged out of the session.
>
> I’ve posted the notes from the session here:
>
> http://peggyholman.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/OSonOS-V.Toronto.1997.Day-3.pdf
>
> (I don’t know whether to be pleased or appalled that I could find OSonOS
> proceedings from 17 years ago!) The notes provide a nice perspective on how
> thinking evolved from voting to synthesizing to opening space for action.
>
> I seem to recall that Michael was the first to try it and tell its story
> on the OS list, though looking through the archives, Diane Gibeault, who
> was also at the session, is the first reference I located. (Was she the
> first?) An exchange between Diane and Michael on the OSlist is copied below.
>
>
> Peggy
>
>
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *"Parkinson & Gibeault" <dgp at CYBERUS.CA>
> *Subject: **Re: Concluding Open Space*
> *Date: *August 23, 1998 at 2:33:25 PM PDT
> *To: *<OSLIST at LISTSERV.IDBSU.EDU>
> *Reply-To: *<dgp at CYBERUS.CA>
>
> Hello Michael and everyone,
>
> In June you responded to my report on a different way of converging in OS.
> You were then "catching up with e-things after being gone". Well, I am
> doing
> the same thing now that the post holiday folly is winding down.
>
> First, thank you for your comments. I like your suggested question and
> intend to use it in my next OS in September. It will be the first time I
> use
> the tree metaphore for convergence with a large group (250 people). I will
> be co-facilitating with Jacqueline Pelletier a long time facilitator who
> also trained with Harrison Owen. We will report on how it went.  If other
> people have used this approach particularly with large groups, I would
> welcome their comments and suggestions from their experience.
>
> 2.Dot vote: Because the time investment question gets dealt with in action
> plan discussion groups to which people participate, I use the dot voting to
> give the organization another piece of information: independantly of where
> people chose to invest time, what do they think the overall priorities for
> the organizations are. The reason being is that people may feel more
> comfortable and competent to contribute to an issue but may want to
> communicate what they think (priorities) about the big picture.
> Participants  have in fact asked to make that distinction.
>
> Look forward to more discussion on all this,
>
> Diane Gibeault
>
> Diane Gibeault & Associé.e.s/Associates
> 191 Juliette Ave. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1K 2T5
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>
> Michael Herman wrote:
>
> hello everyone,
>
> just catching up with e-things after being gone...
>
> special thanks to diane for taking action on our conversations re:
> converging and for reporting it...i'd add a couple of little details by
> way of question, suggestion, concern....
>
> 1.  the notion of priority setting and the question you used to open the
> last day seems to have the potential to allow an escape into planning
> mode and out of passion+responsibility mode...what do think of the more
> blunt question..."what are you going to do now?" or "what can you do
> now?"...still intending that these individual actions would be lead to
> the emergence of priorities?
>
> 2.  recently was present for a dots-voting session...i questioned the
> strength of the passion+responsibility link in this particular session i
> was in and thought the link could be tightened by asking folks to take
> dots in proportion to the amount of time they expected to invest in
> doing the actions being voted on....for example, at my meeting (about 30
> volunteer leaders at my church) i would have suggested taking one voting
> dot for every hour per week a person expected to work on these projects
> over the next six months.
>
> as you can see, my concern is to get the most honest view on day three
> of what can really happen going forward, what people are really ready to
> do and not just what would be nice...that said, i also really like the
> idea of going through the opening process again, to demonstrate that the
> opening/questioning process is an everyday working thing, not just an
> annual planning thing.
>
> thanks again,
>
> michael herman
>
>
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> On Aug 28, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Two points…first…yes Michael and I hammered on that opening space for
> action process back in 2002 or something…there are several methods and
> practices now published by different folks on how to move on from a day or
> two of open space.  Let your context be your guide.  I for one am glad we
> moved on from voting being the only way.
>
> Michael, as for the tool, basically it works like this.  You project a
> phone number up on a screen and invite people to text things to that number
> (the number is acquired through a service called Twillio which can assign a
> number for this purpose).  At the backend, the software spits out different
> kinds of outputs.  In the past we have used word clouds and spreadsheets
> for tabulating data.  You could have two rounds of texting…one round could
> be an invitation for people to text three words that sum up their
> experience…you can instantly generate a word cloud of that information,
> which gives instant feedback.  You could then ask people to choose from a
> number of options just by texting a number representing their preferred
> option.  The software can generate a CSV file which is then easy to put
> into a spread sheet and generate a graph from.  The whole process can
> happen pretty much instantly and the real time feedback can be used to
> guide subsequent discussions.
>
> And I can’t emphasize enough how easy it was to work with Luke on this.
>  If you need a tweak, give him a call.  If you want to work it yourself, th
> ebasic code is open source.
>
> Chris
>
> On Aug 28, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com>
> wrote:
>
> wow.  and this might be the answer to my technical question, chris.  i'll
> check out this new tool and include it in the site updating.  specific
> words, specific tools.  this is exactly what i was looking for.
>
> as i go off to try to understand the new tool.  can you say more here
> about how it works.  you've got 200 or 300 or 50 or whatever folks in the
> circle, day three, or two weeks after a one-day event, or sometime.  you've
> got a set of proceedings from the first time.  maybe you've re-opened the
> space.  or are going to.  there is some interest in polling the crowd.  now
> what?
>
> in the old days, we numbered the issues and everyone ranked their top ten.
>  how does this new tool make work?  what do you ask them to text into the
> center?  what do they send?  how is that processed and turned back to the
> group?  does the form of this make it necessary to ask about individual
> issues?  what possibilities are opened by the new form?  how does it not
> devolve into a simple yes/no polling or how does it support ongoing or
> in-the-moment conversation?
>
> i guess i'm really wondering if this is a tool for converging or
> diverging, or both.  and how that works.  can you put it in that old
> familiar context?  or is that the wrong way to think about it?
>
> thanks, m
>
>
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> Michael Herman
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> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Yup…Opening space for action is still the best way to get things moving.
>>  It has several advantages, the best of which is that it allows people to
>> digest themes and ideas that cross through many many sessions.  Often you
>> can have a project come out on the action day that takes care of issues
>> raised in several different sessions.
>>
>> It allows for convergence to happen within the heart, and for those with
>> the passion who are willing to make time to initiate something to call it
>> in.  It has always resulted in much better sustained result, in my
>> experience.
>>
>> Sometimes though, there is a need to vote on things, and what I have done
>> recently is to hire a developer called Luke Closs  to build a little a tool
>> called SMSHarvest and you can find that at www.smsharvest.com.
>>  Basically it allows people to use their phones to send a text to a number.
>>  That text can contain any kind of information including preferences, and
>> text….we deliberately designed the tool to be useable without any sign up
>> and to be totally familiar, as almost everyone knows how to text and if you
>> don’t someone can show you or do it for you.  Easy.
>>
>> You can use the tool for free, or throw some money Luke’s way as a mark
>> of appreciation.  And if you want him to build a tweak for you, he does
>> that well, quickly and directly to what you need.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 8:40 AM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> Actually I still have the old software, but I agree with Michael. There
>> are much better ways. The problem for me with that software, as with all
>> efforts (including Sticky-dots) to prioritize the issues that were raised
>> on the first day or so of the OS is that it is  measurement of “yesterday’s
>> passions.” Very much like the most recent Quarterly Financial Report... all
>> it tells you about is old news. On a standard 2 ½ day OS, when the 3rd day
>> dawns, everybody had had a night to sleep on everything. Almost inevitably
>> a lot will have changed. Hot issues will merge with other hot issues, hot
>> issues will cool, new issues will have been thrown up thanks to the
>> interaction of the preceding two days. There is also the question of
>> Actionable Issues (which is the focal point of the 3rd day) which don’t
>> necessarily include all the issues previously discussed. I believe Chris
>> Corrigan started it all when he talked about “opening the space for
>> action.” Anyhow that is what he did, and I do as well. Very simple
>> procedure which I think I covered in the 3rd Edition of The User’s
>> Guide. Nowhere near as elegant as Michael’s “Praxis” – but it will do in a
>> pinch, and is not in German. J
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>> <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] *On Behalf Of *Michael Herman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 28, 2014 5:41 AM
>> *To:* OSLIST
>> *Subject:* [OSList] is our voting software dead?
>>
>> hi all, especially those of you who've used the old multi-voting software.
>>
>> i'm wondering when was the last time you used the multi-voting software
>> to do prioritization at the end of an OS meeting?  i'm trying to figure out
>> if it's still useful on the latest PCs.  i'm a mac guy, so can't test it
>> locally here.
>>
>> and if not using the old software, what are you using on day 3 of os
>> events that are too big for dots?  is there a new state-of-the-art when it
>> comes to converging into action with larger groups?
>>
>>  many thanks, m
>>
>>
>>
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