[OSList] is our voting software dead?

Thu Aug 28 12:59:49 PDT 2014

people only texted the number of the report (so each person had to send 3 sms messages)- then I don't know what happened with it, but we did have the results 10 mts after the voting ended (-: and I know Excel was one of the brains behind it. Could ask for more info from the guy who was in charge of this.
Actually in this case it was combined with re-opening (which I almost always use). The results from the voting was input for a nationwide program to enhance life in the country side. The 34 initiatives for immediate action took of parallel to this.
Cheers
Thomas (getting ready to open space tomorrow morning, with the hospital staff I shared about, wohooo! )

28 aug 2014 kl. 21:36 skrev Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com>:

> so you did a slimmed-down version of the old voting process, thomas?  how did that work?  what did people text in?  issue names or issue numbers?  and how was the tabulating actually done?  a proprietary tool or could the total stream of texts be dumped into a spreadsheet, sorted and almost immediately tablulated in that way?  
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> and, on a less technical processing front, you've sparked another idea for scaling these things.  with 500 people in the room, it could easily have been possible (client willing and wanting) to "reopen the space" for next invitations, next events.  bigger issues, next level of processing, in larger (and perhaps expanding) groups.  more extending and expanding than converging.  so the invitation in that opening is for participants to propose follow-on themes, the sort of stuff that might usually have come from clustering issues or votes.  reopen for new themes/invitations and then put each new breakout group to work for one last session on sketching out the invite, invite list (probably already done), logistics (probably pretty straightforward), and documentation (already done, just add to proceedings-to-date).  with large groups the next "meeting" options might span from new events down to conference calls or email groups.  you'd still get individual "actions" or "projects" being raised, but this spin also allows for the largest sub-themes to emerge and advance in larger follow-on events.  this also gets over the "hidden in plain sight" phenomenon, as i'm always amazed how rarely people dealing with giant issues in open space actually say, "hey, we could have another one of these meetings on just this one issue!"  this "re-opening for next invitations" would seem to help invite that realizing.
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> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Thomas Herrmann <thomas at openspaceconsulting.com> wrote:
> Did a similar thing over here last May. About 500 people smsd and those w/o phone got assistance from those with phones. Within 10 mts we had a graph on a widescreen showing the top 10 votes ( everyone got 3 votes to use in any way). Found an IT company that solved our needs. My sponsor probably paid a bit. 
> Did have a plan B this time. Everyone got a paper with the 67 topics. Marked there...but it all worked out. 
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> 28 aug 2014 kl. 20:08 skrev Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com>:
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>> wow.  and this might be the answer to my technical question, chris.  i'll check out this new tool and include it in the site updating.  specific words, specific tools.  this is exactly what i was looking for.
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>> as i go off to try to understand the new tool.  can you say more here about how it works.  you've got 200 or 300 or 50 or whatever folks in the circle, day three, or two weeks after a one-day event, or sometime.  you've got a set of proceedings from the first time.  maybe you've re-opened the space.  or are going to.  there is some interest in polling the crowd.  now what?
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>> in the old days, we numbered the issues and everyone ranked their top ten.  how does this new tool make work?  what do you ask them to text into the center?  what do they send?  how is that processed and turned back to the group?  does the form of this make it necessary to ask about individual issues?  what possibilities are opened by the new form?  how does it not devolve into a simple yes/no polling or how does it support ongoing or in-the-moment conversation?  
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>> i guess i'm really wondering if this is a tool for converging or diverging, or both.  and how that works.  can you put it in that old familiar context?  or is that the wrong way to think about it?
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>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yup…Opening space for action is still the best way to get things moving.  It has several advantages, the best of which is that it allows people to digest themes and ideas that cross through many many sessions.  Often you can have a project come out on the action day that takes care of issues raised in several different sessions.  
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>> It allows for convergence to happen within the heart, and for those with the passion who are willing to make time to initiate something to call it in.  It has always resulted in much better sustained result, in my experience.
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>> Sometimes though, there is a need to vote on things, and what I have done recently is to hire a developer called Luke Closs  to build a little a tool called SMSHarvest and you can find that at www.smsharvest.com.  Basically it allows people to use their phones to send a text to a number.  That text can contain any kind of information including preferences, and text….we deliberately designed the tool to be useable without any sign up and to be totally familiar, as almost everyone knows how to text and if you don’t someone can show you or do it for you.  Easy.
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>> You can use the tool for free, or throw some money Luke’s way as a mark of appreciation.  And if you want him to build a tweak for you, he does that well, quickly and directly to what you need.  
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>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 8:40 AM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:
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>>> Actually I still have the old software, but I agree with Michael. There are much better ways. The problem for me with that software, as with all efforts (including Sticky-dots) to prioritize the issues that were raised on the first day or so of the OS is that it is  measurement of “yesterday’s passions.” Very much like the most recent Quarterly Financial Report... all it tells you about is old news. On a standard 2 ½ day OS, when the 3rd day dawns, everybody had had a night to sleep on everything. Almost inevitably a lot will have changed. Hot issues will merge with other hot issues, hot issues will cool, new issues will have been thrown up thanks to the interaction of the preceding two days. There is also the question of Actionable Issues (which is the focal point of the 3rd day) which don’t necessarily include all the issues previously discussed. I believe Chris Corrigan started it all when he talked about “opening the space for action.” Anyhow that is what he did, and I do as well. Very simple procedure which I think I covered in the 3rd Edition of The User’s Guide. Nowhere near as elegant as Michael’s “Praxis” – but it will do in a pinch, and is not in German. J
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>>> hi all, especially those of you who've used the old multi-voting software.
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>>> i'm wondering when was the last time you used the multi-voting software to do prioritization at the end of an OS meeting?  i'm trying to figure out if it's still useful on the latest PCs.  i'm a mac guy, so can't test it locally here.   
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>>> and if not using the old software, what are you using on day 3 of os events that are too big for dots?  is there a new state-of-the-art when it comes to converging into action with larger groups? 
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>>> many thanks, m
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