[OSList] OST / Gaming
Daniel Mezick
dan at newtechusa.net
Tue Oct 22 13:23:49 PDT 2013
Great stuff in here; let me please address some of the juicer questions,
responses inline:
On 10/22/13 2:25 PM, Diane Gibeault wrote:
> Dan, you confirm that for Agile, the suggested practices (Scrum etc)
> are up for discussion during the OST, that invitation should be the
> way of doing business at every level, including the implementation stage.
Yes, and we must encourage the people to play.
Yes, and play is a censored term in most orgs, so in OAA we use
'experiment' instead. (the sanitized term for play)
> In that case, there are real advantages for Open Agile Adoption (OAA)
> to refer to these implementing practices in a more generic way.
> On the Agile web site, information on the implementation phase seems
> to be presented in a more prescriptive fashion, with specific
> structured methods listed. If that's not the case, I may have read it
> too fast or it's a presentation issue. Both can be easily fixed.
Can you please provide a link to "the Agile web site", where
"information on the implementation phase seems to be presented in a more
prescriptive fashion?" I do not know which site you mean...
> Naming one or even a few structured existing tools gives the
> impression there is a limited number of options and that there is no
> room for participants to come up with or create their own ways to get
> a job done.
> This can feel more like control and mandate, an opposite mindset to
> the "invitation" approach you favor Dan for Agile, an approach that is
> congruent with the spirit of OST which encourages invitation as a way
> of working and of managing on an on-going basis, so that organizations
> can be more agile.
Yes, and to be clear, a practice is 'agile' if it (at a minimum) does
not offend the Principles of the Agile Manifesto, seen here:
http://agilemanifesto.org/principles.html
....and the values, seen here:
http://agilemanifesto.org/
Ideally, a strong practice will strongly honor the Manifesto principles,
not merely refrain from offending them.
Scrum is a pre-fab set of practices and agreements (almost said the
G-word there...) that do honor the Manifesto.
Hence the popularity of the Scrum form.
<CONFLICT WARNING>
Many 'agile people' will totally disagree with :
"...a practice is 'agile' if it (at a minimum) does not offend
the Principles of the Agile Manifesto"
Disagreement is perfectly OK. Let's suspend disbelief for now, and
proceed...
</CONFLICT WARNING>
And now to my point: they people can dream up any practice that fits
this criteria. If they do it is agile. They need not use Scrum, Kanban
etc. I always encourage them to dream and imagine and invent NEW
practices that fit them and their needs, subject to the Agile Manifesto
criteria. Now, it ain't as easy as it looks....
> Sharing tool ideas before and during the OST meeting is not precluded
> but how it's presented can make quite a difference on how it's
> perceived by participants, i.e., how open and real the invitation is.
Yes, and the way to address this is to put the training AFTER the
initial OST meeting in Open Agile Adoption. Because training before the
OST (instead of after the OST) sends the
"mandate/we-made-an-investment-in" signal. Agree 100% and join you in
this idea.
> Before an OS meeting, there is true benefit in reflecting on
> implementation with organizers but they should not become attached to
> tools or outcome. They must understand that the real discussion on
> implementation should take place during the meeting with all
> participants, and after with the emergent leadership.
Yes, and this is 100% the intent to Open Agile Adoption, because
ENGAGEMENT is the jet fuel of high performance. (not practices!)
> The IT industry tells us that a very large number of IT projects fail
> because they don't allow people to discuss and co-create the
> implementation; they have no sense of ownership.
Yes, and this is an epidemic train wreck of absolutely epic scope worldwide
> Letting the implementation systems emerge, allowing voices to be
> really heard, if not making a true choice of a way to implement
> whether it's a system or tool or not, all of this can create that
> sense of ownership.
Yes, and this is the name of the game 100%. When people are not making
choices, they are clearly not free to engage
> Dan you said earlier (Sept 30 OS List) 'I believe that people in the
> Agile/IT world (and people in general) tend to "medicate" their
> pains/worries/etc with processes. tools. frameworks. certifications.
> etc.'
Yes, and here is a blog post on that:
http://newtechusa.net/agile/medication/
> Leaving the implementation processes open as you said today, is likely
> to help reduce that medication mentality.
Yes, and one benefit is that peace can and will break out
> Diane
>
>
> Diane Gibeault & Associe.es-Associates
> Tel 613-744-2638, diane.gibeault at rogers.com
>
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> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] OST / Gaming
>
>> when a group is introduced to a definite process and OST is part
>> of the equation, the net result is often that the process itself
>> is treated like anything else in OST -- up for discussion.
>
> Bingo...thats the whole point. Whatever the suggested (formerly
> MANDATED) practices are, Scrum or whatever...are now up for
> discussion. This is the *entire* reason to use the OAA approach.
> Further, this is not manipulation, or its 1st cousin, persuasion.
> This is invitation in the truest sense if the word. If OAA is used
> for persuasion, this is a 100% corruption of the actual intent and
> purpose. OAA does not seek to persuade.
>
> As for spirit...give it time. Things may ripen presently, or not.
> I'm watching for signs of an up-trend.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 10:59 AM, "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net
> <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>
> Dan -- I guess it is time for me to come clean and reveal all my
> ulterior motives. Frankly, I could care less if you and others use
> OS by way of an introduction to Agile/Scrum. I have some
> reservations that, to the extent that SCRUM is a prescribed
> process (whether entered voluntarily or not), OST may not be quite
> what you want. My experience has been that when a group is
> introduced to a definite process and OST is part of the equation,
> the net result is often that the process itself is treated like
> anything else in OST -- up for discussion. That said, it surely
> can't hurt and is probably much better than whatever alternatives.
> As an old Swedish friend of mine put it, "OST is the WD-40 of
> group work. One shot will loosen up just about anything."
> But all that is just the tip of the iceberg. I think the
> discussion will really get interesting and fruitful when we begin
> to take hard look at what I might call the "Agility Function" of
> OST. How does it work and why? How can we amplify the effect? I
> suggested that agility is a natural act. True? If so, could it
> become an everyday natural act?
> On your "favorite question" -- OST as a Spiritual practice... I
> did write a paper some years ago for a book that never happened
> titled, "Open Space and Spirit shows up."
> http://openspaceworld.com/spirt_shows.htm I confess that I share
> Linda Stevenson's unease with talking about OS and Spirituality.
> But then again...
> Harrison
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> [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf Of
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> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] OST / Gaming
> Jenifer,
>
>
> Yes, and if you feel claustrophobic *reading* about Agile, let's
> imagine how claustrophobic the people inside these 'agile'
> organizations feel...
>
> ...when they are told by an entirely well-meaning authority,
>
> that they *must* "do" something, and even "be"
> something...entirely /unfamilar/...without their explicit _consent_.
>
>
> Is this or is this not the definition of a closed space?
>
> And finally, my favorite question: Is OST actually a
> group-spiritual practice?
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
> http://newtechusa.net/agile/spirit/
> */We all want rapid and lasting Agile adoptions./*//The Open Agile
> Adoption technique (OAA) can help. The OAA technique is drawing
> deeply from the book SPIRIT by Harrison Owen. It's an amazing and
> even essential book for any person who is serious about achieving
> a rapid and lasting Agile adoption. In a very real sense the book
> SPIRIT by Harrison Owen, first published in 1986, is the first
> (and perhaps the only) book written on how to achieve a rapid and
> lasting Agile adoption.
> "...I have written this book for friends and colleagues, known and
> unknown, who find themselves in the midst of a transforming world,
> and are resolved to look beneath the surface to the underlying
> source of change. This source, which has become manifest in the
> form and structure of our organizations, I call Spirit." --
> Harrison Owen, Prologue, SPIRIT: Development and Transformation in
> Organizations. (Circa 1986)
>
>
>
> www.OpenAgileAdoption.com <http://www.openagileadoption.com/>
> http://www.infoq.com/articles/open-agile-adoption-1
> http://www.infoq.com/articles/open-agile-adoption-2
>
>
>
>
> On 10/22/13 8:14 AM, Jenifer Toksvig wrote:
>
> Harrison, you said:
>
> >> ... our conversation always seems to have (must have?)
> some frame of reference with certain metaphors and images.
> [...] It is not so much about right or wrong but rather
> capacity to communicate. <<
>
> It's all about Story, yes, absolutely. I was just saying to
> Dan in an email that I had never heard of Agile until this
> conversation, so I went to read all about it... and then had
> to stop reading about it because, as a story, it makes me feel
> claustrophobic. Especially as a story that is being linked to OST.
>
> OST is my guide in so many ways. It's my comparison story: the
> thing against which I find myself measuring life stuff.
>
> - because it's not a story. Oddly, I think I made that strong
> connection with OST because it seems to me that it is just how
> things are, rather than how anyone might want to say things
> are. Which is not that odd at all, actually, now I come to
> think about it.
>
> Although I am not in any way religious, perhaps those who are
> feel the same way: that their belief system is not a story,
> but the core truth of the world. It seems strange to me that
> they wouldn't challenge it to make sure it isn't a story in
> disguise, though. I challenge OST every day.
>
> In fact, maybe that's what I mean by 'comparison'. I don't
> measure life against it, so much as measure it against life,
> and I am continuously delighted to find that it is simply a
> description of how life happens, nothing more and nothing less.
>
> How wonderful, how refreshing to find a true *description* in
> a world full of takes and truths.
>
> When I write stories, I think the characters already exist in
> the place of potential, and all they do is choose me to be
> their conduit onto the page; I'm the right conduit for a
> specific few. I am not at all surprised that OST chose you.
> Thank you for being open to being chosen, and for staying open
> when you recognised it for what it was.
>
> Jen x
>
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