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Great stuff in here; let me please address some of the juicer
questions, responses inline:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/22/13 2:25 PM, Diane Gibeault
wrote:<br>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(53, 53, 53);
font-size: 11pt; ">Dan, you confirm that for Agile, the
suggested practices (Scrum etc) are up for
discussion during the OST, that invitation should be the
way of doing business at every level,
including the implementation stage.</span></div>
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Yes, and we must encourage the people to play. <br>
Yes, and play is a censored term in most orgs, so in OAA we use
'experiment' instead. (the sanitized term for play)<br>
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cite="mid:1382466327.50318.YahooMailNeo@web162702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com"
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span
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EN-US" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#353535;mso-ansi-language:
EN-US" lang="EN-US">In that case, there are real
advantages for Open Agile Adoption (OAA) to
refer to these implementing practices in a more generic
way. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:"Helvetica
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#353535;mso-ansi-language:
EN-US" lang="EN-US">On the Agile web site, information
on the implementation phase seems to be
presented in a more prescriptive fashion, with specific
structured methods
listed. If that’s not the case, I may have read it too
fast or it’s a
presentation issue. Both can be easily fixed.</span></div>
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Can you please provide a link to <span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#353535;mso-ansi-language:
EN-US" lang="EN-US">"the Agile web site", where "information on
the implementation phase seems to be
presented in a more prescriptive fashion</span></span>?" I do
not know which site you mean...<br>
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cite="mid:1382466327.50318.YahooMailNeo@web162702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com"
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#353535;mso-ansi-language:
EN-US" lang="EN-US">Naming one or even a few structured
existing tools gives the impression
there is a limited number of options and that there is
no room for participants
to come up with or create their own ways to get a job
done. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#353535;mso-ansi-language:
EN-US" lang="EN-US">This can feel more like control and
mandate, an opposite mindset to the “invitation”
approach you favor Dan for Agile, an approach that is
congruent with the spirit
of OST which encourages invitation as a way of working
and of managing on an
on-going basis, so that organizations can be more agile.</span></div>
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Yes, and to be clear, a practice is 'agile' if it (at a minimum)
does not offend the Principles of the Agile Manifesto, seen here:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://agilemanifesto.org/principles.html">http://agilemanifesto.org/principles.html</a><br>
....and the values, seen here:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://agilemanifesto.org/">http://agilemanifesto.org/</a><br>
<br>
Ideally, a strong practice will strongly honor the Manifesto
principles, not merely refrain from offending them. <br>
Scrum is a pre-fab set of practices and agreements (almost said the
G-word there...) that do honor the Manifesto. <br>
Hence the popularity of the Scrum form.<br>
<br>
<br>
<CONFLICT WARNING><br>
<br>
Many 'agile people' will totally disagree with :<br>
<br>
"...a practice is 'agile' if it (at a minimum) does not
offend the Principles of the Agile Manifesto"<br>
<br>
Disagreement is perfectly OK. Let's suspend disbelief for now,
and proceed...<br>
<br>
</CONFLICT WARNING><br>
<br>
<br>
And now to my point: they people can dream up any practice that fits
this criteria. If they do it is agile. They need not use Scrum,
Kanban etc. I always encourage them to dream and imagine and invent
NEW practices that fit them and their needs, subject to the Agile
Manifesto criteria. Now, it ain't as easy as it looks....<br>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span
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12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:"Helvetica
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EN-US" lang="EN-US">Sharing tool ideas before and during
the OST meeting is not precluded
but how it’s presented can make quite a difference on
how it’s perceived by
participants, i.e., how open and real the invitation is.</span></div>
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Yes, and the way to address this is to put the training AFTER the
initial OST meeting in Open Agile Adoption. Because training before
the OST (instead of after the OST) sends the
"mandate/we-made-an-investment-in" signal. Agree 100% and join you
in this idea. <br>
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<div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial,
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:"Helvetica
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EN-US" lang="EN-US">Before an OS meeting, there is true
benefit in reflecting on
implementation with organizers but they should not
become attached to tools or
outcome. They must understand that the real discussion
on implementation should
take place during the meeting with all participants, and
after with the
emergent leadership. </span></div>
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Yes, and this is 100% the intent to Open Agile Adoption, because
ENGAGEMENT is the jet fuel of high performance. (not practices!)<br>
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cite="mid:1382466327.50318.YahooMailNeo@web162702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com"
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<div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial,
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:"Helvetica
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#353535;mso-ansi-language:
EN-US" lang="EN-US">The IT industry tells us that a very
large number of IT projects fail
because they don’t allow people to discuss and co-create
the implementation;
they have no sense of ownership. </span></div>
</span></div>
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Yes, and this is an epidemic train wreck of absolutely epic scope
worldwide<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:1382466327.50318.YahooMailNeo@web162702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com"
type="cite">
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#353535;mso-ansi-language:
EN-US" lang="EN-US">Letting the implementation systems
emerge, allowing voices to be really heard,
if not making a true choice of a way to implement
whether it’s a system or tool
or not, all of this can create that sense of ownership.
</span></div>
</span></div>
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Yes, and this is the name of the game 100%. When people are not
making choices, they are clearly not free to engage<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#353535;mso-ansi-language:
EN-US" lang="EN-US">Dan you said earlier (Sept 30 OS
List) ‘I believe that people in the
Agile/IT world (and people in general) tend to
"medicate" their
pains/worries/etc with processes. tools. frameworks.
certifications. etc.’ </span></div>
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Yes, and here is a blog post on that:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://newtechusa.net/agile/medication/">http://newtechusa.net/agile/medication/</a><br>
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12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#353535;mso-ansi-language:
EN-US" lang="EN-US">Leaving the implementation processes
open as you said today, is likely
to help reduce that medication mentality.</span></div>
</span></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Yes, and one benefit is that peace can and will break out<br>
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<hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span
style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Dan
Mezick <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dan@newtechusa.net"><dan@newtechusa.net></a><br>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:21:31 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [OSList] OST / Gaming<br>
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125); ">when a group is introduced to a
definite process and OST is part of the
equation, the net result is often that
the process itself is treated like
anything else in OST – up for
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Bingo...thats the whole point. Whatever the
suggested (formerly MANDATED) practices are,
Scrum or whatever...are now up for discussion.
This is the *entire* reason to use the OAA
approach. Further, this is not manipulation, or
its 1st cousin, persuasion. This is invitation
in the truest sense if the word. If OAA is used
for persuasion, this is a 100% corruption of the
actual intent and purpose. OAA does not seek to
persuade.</div>
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<div>As for spirit...give it time. Things may
ripen presently, or not. I'm watching for signs
of an up-trend.</div>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;">Dan – I guess it
is time for me to come clean and reveal
all my ulterior motives. Frankly, I could
care less if you and others use OS by way
of an introduction to Agile/Scrum. I have
some reservations that, to the extent that
SCRUM is a prescribed process (whether
entered voluntarily or not), OST may not
be quite what you want. My experience has
been that when a group is introduced to a
definite process and OST is part of the
equation, the net result is often that the
process itself is treated like anything
else in OST – up for discussion. That
said, it surely can’t hurt and is probably
much better than whatever alternatives. As
an old Swedish friend of mine put it, “OST
is the WD-40 of group work. One shot will
loosen up just about anything.”</span></div>
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<div class="yiv7185940739MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;">But all that is
just the tip of the iceberg. I think the
discussion will really get interesting and
fruitful when we begin to take hard look
at what I might call the “Agility
Function” of OST. How does it work and
why? How can we amplify the effect? I
suggested that agility is a natural act.
True? If so, could it become an everyday
natural act?</span></div>
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<div class="yiv7185940739MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;">On your
“favorite question” – OST as a Spiritual
practice... I did write a paper some years
ago for a book that never happened titled,
“Open Space and Spirit shows up.” <a
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I confess that I share Linda Stevenson’s
unease with talking about OS and
Spirituality. But then again...</span></div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel Mezick<br
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] OST /
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<div class="yiv7185940739MsoNormal">Jenifer,<br
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Yes, and if you feel claustrophobic
*reading* about Agile, let's imagine how
claustrophobic the people inside these
'agile' organizations feel...<br
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...when they are told by an entirely
well-meaning authority,<br clear="none">
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that they <b>must</b> "do" something,
and even "be" something...entirely <i>unfamilar</i>...without
their explicit <u>consent</u>.<br
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Is this or is this not the definition of a
closed space? <br clear="none">
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And finally, my favorite question: Is OST
actually a group-spiritual practice?<br
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Dan<br clear="none">
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
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<b><i>We all want rapid and lasting Agile
adoptions.</i></b><i> </i>The Open
Agile Adoption technique (OAA) can help. The
OAA technique is drawing deeply from the
book SPIRIT by Harrison Owen. It’s an
amazing and even essential book for any
person who is serious about achieving a
rapid and lasting Agile adoption. In a very
real sense the book SPIRIT by Harrison Owen,
first published in 1986, is the first (and
perhaps the only) book written on how to
achieve a rapid and lasting Agile adoption.
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<div>"...I have written this book for friends
and colleagues, known and unknown, who find
themselves in the midst of a transforming
world, and are resolved to look beneath the
surface to the underlying source of change.
This source, which has become manifest in
the form and structure of our organizations,
I call Spirit." – Harrison Owen, Prologue,
SPIRIT: Development and Transformation in
Organizations. (Circa 1986)</div>
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<div class="yiv7185940739MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;">Harrison, you
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>> ... our conversation always
seems to have (must have?) some frame of
reference with certain metaphors and
images. [...] It is not so much about
right or wrong but rather capacity to
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It’s all about Story, yes, absolutely. I
was just saying to Dan in an email that
I had never heard of Agile until this
conversation, so I went to read all
about it... and then had to stop reading
about it because, as a story, it makes
me feel claustrophobic. Especially as a
story that is being linked to OST.<br
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OST is my guide in so many ways. It’s my
comparison story: the thing against
which I find myself measuring life
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- because it’s not a story. Oddly, I
think I made that strong connection with
OST because it seems to me that it is
just how things are, rather than how
anyone might want to say things are.
Which is not that odd at all, actually,
now I come to think about it.<br
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Although I am not in any way religious,
perhaps those who are feel the same way:
that their belief system is not a story,
but the core truth of the world. It
seems strange to me that they wouldn’t
challenge it to make sure it isn’t a
story in disguise, though. I challenge
OST every day.<br clear="none">
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In fact, maybe that’s what I mean by
‘comparison’. I don’t measure life
against it, so much as measure it
against life, and I am continuously
delighted to find that it is simply a
description of how life happens, nothing
more and nothing less.<br clear="none">
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How wonderful, how refreshing to find a
true *description* in a world full of
takes and truths.<br clear="none">
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When I write stories, I think the
characters already exist in the place of
potential, and all they do is choose me
to be their conduit onto the page; I’m
the right conduit for a specific few. I
am not at all surprised that OST chose
you. Thank you for being open to being
chosen, and for staying open when you
recognised it for what it was.<br
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