[OSList] The OST Game

Wed Oct 9 14:06:04 PDT 2013

Harold - We're (speaking only for myself! J) not just "warm" - I'm HOT --
for you and anybody else who is pushing some boundaries. Just because I
don't understand (senility) or seem to disagree (curmudgeonly)  is no cause
for unhappiness. Just bear with us! And Don't stop now! 

My problem with all of this is that we seem to be spending a lot of words to
say something pretty simple. To live well (effectively) in this world, you
got to be agile - and with a little open space to move in, agility becomes
more possible. (Note: there are no capital letters) Or something like that.
If any of that makes any sense, the connection between Agile and Open Space
becomes not only obvious but essential (now we have some capitals.)  

So carry on, my friend. But please, don't get stuck on "method" (Agile or
Open Space Technology) or ideology. What's next? Where to?  You're on!!

Harrison

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[mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Harold Shinsato
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 4:08 PM
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Subject: Re: [OSList] The OST Game

Hi Michael,

No fun to hear I'm failing - but it hasn't stopped me before. Try and try
again (even if it takes years).

I'm not saying OST *is* a game. I'm not saying OST is anything.

What I see is that there is value in the metaphor of OST as a game.

So Dan is already speaking about OST as a game to Agile circles and making
some good cheese with it. And maybe the Agile community has a bit of a leg
up on us here because Alistair Cockburn used the game metaphor in his first
book in the 1990's about this. And Alistair is one of the signatories of the
Agile Manifesto that started the whole "Agile" (with capital letter)
conversation. But Alistair wasn't talking specifically about software as in
an obscure coding thing thing that will make everyone's eyes glaze over. He
was speaking about a different way to look at work and at teams.

So I've been in the Agile conversation for over a decade. And it's not
always been fun. Much of it has been butting up against minds that were very
shut, and it's still not an uncommon experience for advocates to run into a
wall. And maybe this might not seem relevant here, but much of that "Agile"
conversation has been about people. People people people. It's even a
frequent complaint I hear for the techies, because a minority who show up at
conferences are only interested in the coding aspect. But they're the
minority. The first line of the Agile Manifesto <http://agilemanifesto.org/>
- "Individuals and interactions over processes and tools."

Yes - I do live in that world of code. But I also live in this world of Open
Space, improving human dynamics in teams, OD type stuff etc. And often times
having a foot in both worlds causes cognitive dissonance because not too
many are comfortable in this lonely between space. Finding language to bring
together the contasting perspectives can be difficult.

But living in both worlds - I see so much in common. I see so much common
ground. I see so many ways that the Agile crowd can help the OST/OD crowd,
and most certainly visa versa.

The thing is - the Agile universe is already embracing Open Space in a huge
way. And not always with the direct help and support and understanding of
the folks here. Which is not always a good thing.

One last thing - the Agile community is not homogeneous. There are many
innovations that cause controversy and big huge disruptions. I'm seeing some
of Dan's work in this community as being potentially hugely powerful and
disrupting - and in a large way due to his being the most potent advocate of
Open Space in Agile today. And this game perspective is part of how he got
there.

I'm not fully there and understanding his metaphor of OST as a game - and it
looks like I'll need to converse with him outside this forum to fully get
it. I guess I was hoping for a warmer reception from the voices of authority
and seniority on this list. But at least, having attended WOSonOS in Florida
and knowing some of what is happening in the Open Space world because of
being part of the Open Space Institute/U.S. - I do know that many of us are
catching more of the agile mojo and that it will continue to mature.

Well, anyway - not sure I just helped you Michael but thanks for giving me
an excuse to rant. :-)

    Cheers,
    Harold

On 10/9/13 11:58 AM, Michael Herman wrote:

Not sure you actually accomlished "Against," Harold.  I think I just read
OST is life, a finite slice of Life.   

And if the conversation happens in a room full of people who think and talk
about games, that's great to say OST is a game cuz everyone in that room or
community knows what that means. Probably doesn't work as well on CNN or at
an ODN mtg. 

I guess it still a bit confusing to me if this conversation is about how to
talk OST in agile community or how to talk OST in other/larger communities.
Translation is always possible, but the game lingo doesn't seem native to
the folks I'm usually talking with. Actually, finding some native
understanding of (and native language for) OS seems like half the game in
many instances. 

m

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Harold Shinsato wrote:

Harrison,

Ok, I'll take your word from previous posts that I won't be in trouble if I
risk going up against you again - or maybe it's just a hope that this thread
won't be shut down due to misunderstandings.

The statement "OST is a game" actually doesn't work for me so much because
it uncomfortably reduces all the ideas and philosophy (and practice) of OST
into a word that unfortunately has for many negative connotations. But
perhaps I'll invite thinking about OST *as* a game instead. Perhaps that can
help prevent cognitive dissonance and allow for this conversation to
continue.

My understanding of the word game as used by Daniel Mezick and others comes
from game theory - and could open up many benefits.

The briefest way I think to hope to keep this particular door open for those
in this community who might find the word game unpleasant would be to
suggest the book "Finite and Infinite Games: A Vision of Life as Play and
Possibility" by James P. Carse. Mr. Carse actually is a professor of history
and literature of religion - and his thinking in that book is very poetic
and beautiful. And it reminds me much of Open Space thinking - and I won't
even attempt to dive into his thesis any more than to look at what I think
sums up the thinking being the final sentence in the book. "There is only
one infinite game."

The bigger game of Open Space is the game of life - the unending story - the
"one infinite game". And an OST meeting or conference is a finite game which
seems to open up an experience of the infinite game in a beautiful way. And
yet, there's still value in seeing the finite game aspects of OST in that
context.

Alas, perhaps this attempt will be futile. But I hold out hope that others
won't be discouraged from this perspective on OST as a game and it's
benefits.

    Harold

On 10/7/13 1:25 PM, Harrison Owen wrote:

Dan - Using the word, "game" as you do, I guess it sort of works with OS,
but I do confess a certain feeling of cognitive dissonance, which I suspect
may be shared by some of my colleagues. In any event, it certainly would not
be a word I would use. But that doesn't mean a great deal. However, when you
say, "Leaders choose to play OST. Or not," I do feel called upon to say
something like... Oh Yes? 

Some people refer to the "Game of Life," but it is scarcely a game you
choose to play (or not). Not playing is called suicide, I think, and while
some people do make that choice it is not a choice that most folks would
considered good, useful, or positive. It is more like canceling all choices.
Out of the Game, so to speak.

I feel rather the same way about OS, and for all the same reasons. OS for me
is not a process we choose to do or not do - quite simply it is what we are
--  Self organizing, and OS is only an invitation to be ourselves fully and
purposefully. We can chose to be ourselves with distinction, despair, or
something in between --  but so long as we remain on the planet in some
viable form, we got no choice. We are what we are, what we are. Put a little
differently, OS is not something new and different, it is just a small name
change for what has been around for quite a while: life.  I guess you can
call it a game, but somehow that seems to miss some of the nuances.

Harrison 

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