[OSList] Follow-Up and Flow in Open Space

[lucia pavia Ticzon]

yes!
and simple does not mean easy.
~lpt

On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 3:50 PM, paul levy <paul at cats3000.net> wrote:

Saying it is only a manner of speaking is only a manner of speaking.
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> If your time organism is big enough it includes your now.
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> There's more to this than meets the "I"!
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> I'm sure there is more eloquence than just "big". I think that perhaps
> "big" brought us to the brink of world economic collapse.
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> Sometimes simplicity is perfect. Sometimes it misses the very big you hint
> at. Go on,think bigger than just "big".
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> On 24 March 2013 22:28, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:
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> It is only a manner of speaking. If your NOW is big enough it includes
>> what we (used to) call Past and Future. So how is that for esoterica?****
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>> *From:* oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org [mailto:
>> oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf Of *paul levy
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:55 PM
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>> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Follow-Up and Flow in Open Space****
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>> Harrison****
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>> Yes, and more...****
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>> The "now" becomes enormous because it forms part of the time organism - a
>> living organism because past, present and future all live vibrantly within
>> it. This is no mere theory. Now is where we are present, but before and
>> beyond are where we are also alive.****
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>> But no. The past isn't over. It is both before and before. The past lies
>> up ahead. The past is full of seeds but also it contains keys. The past is
>> a living picture playing in and out of the now. As does the future. History
>> is the high-story.****
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>> Practically (and this is where a bias towards one dimension limits the
>> opening of space)...****
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>> What do we wish had happened?****
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>> What would have happened if ... ?****
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>> What happened ?****
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>> These are not questions for a past that is over and done with. These are
>> questions for the future "before us".****
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>> Whatever happened is not the only thing that could have. Whatever
>> happened is one of my things that could happen.****
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>> Dive into that - if only for the game of it!****
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>> We can live many lives and still not get close to the real vistas of
>> space and time that wait to be opened. Potential lives in the whole time
>> organism, not only the now. There's something special about now, but its
>> not the whole story!****
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>> Go on, imagine you might have missed a trick...!****
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>> Paul
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>> On Sunday, 24 March 2013, Harrison Owen wrote:****
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>> Paul – “And it is why I believe that when we open space, we open space
>> not only for the future but for our whole "time organism".”  I like it. If
>> only because I wrote a book, “Expanding Our Now.” The idea is simple, maybe
>> simple minded. But it goes like this: The past is over, the future hasn’t
>> happened yet. What we got is NOW. And how big can we make that? I don’t
>> know, but it is a lot bigger than most of us think – which is usually
>> measured in nanoseconds.   A very small NOW. – But when we Open Space, my
>> experience is that NOW becomes enormous. Well past chronometric
>> measurement. Or something.****
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>> ho****
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>> Harrison Owen****
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>> 7808 River Falls Dr.****
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>> Potomac, MD 20854****
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>> USA****
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>> 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)****
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>> Camden, Maine 04843****
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>> Phone 301-365-2093****
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>> (summer)  207-763-3261****
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>> *From:* oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org [mailto:
>> oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf Of *paul levy
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:08 PM
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>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Follow-Up and Flow in Open Space****
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>> Perfectly described, Koos!****
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>> And it is why I believe that when we open space, we open space not only
>> for the future but for our whole "time organism". ****
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>> It is also why, if there must be "action planning" is need not only come
>> at the end!****
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>> Time is linear, circular and many other things as well. ****
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>> Warm rushes****
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>> Paul
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>> On Sunday, 24 March 2013, Koos de Heer wrote:****
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>> Paul,****
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>> I once heard a story from someone who had been to Greece, interviewing
>> people about the political and economic situation there.  He reports that
>> some people would say: “We can’t predict the future – after all, you have
>> no idea of the things that are still hidden behind your back.”  The
>> metaphor of the way time flows there  is the opposite of ours. In Western
>> Europe, we picture ourselves as looking to the future and having the past
>> behind our backs. Apparently in Greece, the people experience the timeline
>> so that the future is coming from behind and the past is disappearing in
>> front of them. So they are looking at the past and not seeing the future.
>> Which makes sense; we think we look at the future, but what are we looking
>> at? Only images, because we don’t know what it will be. Which also leads to
>> the question whether our images from the past are correct, but that is
>> another story.****
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>> This leads me to wondering if there might be cultures where time is
>> viewed as circular, which would make even more sense to me.****
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>> Koos****
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>> *Namens *paul levy
>> *Verzonden:* zondag 24 maart 2013 19:37
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>> David****
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>> There's a depth and warm texture to your model.****
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>> I would offer this:****
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>> You define vision this:
>> "what does it look like when it is done"****
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>> I believe that is only part of vision. ****
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>> Vision is what does the temporal picture look like: the picture of past,
>> present AND future, all playing into each other. As I said earlier - what
>> went before (past) is also before us (future, in front).****
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>>  ****
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