[OSList] Peggy plus OST Linkedin Comment

Mon Oct 22 22:50:44 PDT 2012

Thank you Chris, I get your point. Very clear. I agree with you now.

Thanks for taking the time to explain.

Koos

At 07:12 23-10-2012, Chris Corrigan wrote:
>Koos...for me the law of two feet is about passion and 
>responsibility.  If you care about something, take care of it.
>
>Paul may have felt that he was "taking care of it" when he produced 
>his critiques of the event in London.  Possibly. But my experience 
>is that many people are comfortable just being in their passion 
>about something - sometimes just ranting - and fail to join in, 
>support, improve, help out or otherwise make a responsibility based 
>offering to the situation at hand.  While i appreciate criticism and 
>am perfectly capable of wrestling with ideas - and in this case I 
>even pointed out that there is much merit in Paul's observations - I 
>nevertheless would invite consideration of the fact that if someone 
>is sitting through an open space event and not offering 
>responsibility, that the criticism has the feeling of being sniping 
>from the sidelines while failing to take up the invitation at hand 
>and it's hard to work with that.  That is all.
>
>A some level, love it or leave is also always an option, but that 
>isn't what I'm talking about here.  I'm looking for a more nuanced 
>response from a practitioner that is clearly very familiar with the 
>dynamics of Open Space and self organization and wondering what he 
>did at the event to use his own power to create the experience he 
>was looking for.
>
>He may have done something, but as I read it, he stayed for whole 
>thing and then wrote a fairly detailed critique of the whole experience.
>
>So.   Hmmmmm.
>
>Chris
>
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>On 2012-10-21, at 3:22 AM, Koos de Heer 
><<mailto:koos at auryn.nl>koos at auryn.nl> wrote:
>
>>Hi Chris,
>>
>>I am not sure I understand what you mean when you say that the law 
>>of two feet applies. If it means as much as "This is Open Space, 
>>love it or leave it," I feel compelled to say that I don't support that.
>>
>>Of course I can walk out of a session if I am feeling that I am 
>>neither learning nor contributing. But if I have the idea that the 
>>Open Space gathering as a whole could use improvements in the way 
>>it is run, referring to the law of two feet can become a way to 
>>evade a discussion that needs to take place. It can take place at a 
>>later date, which is what is happening now and that is fine.
>>
>>Koos
>>
>>
>>Op 20 okt. 2012 om 21:23 heeft Chris Corrigan 
>><<mailto:chris.corrigan at gmail.com>chris.corrigan at gmail.com> het 
>>volgende geschreven:
>>
>>>The critique in the article is fine. And the subsequent link 
>>>Phelim sent along is fine too. Paul's tone is a bit jarring and 
>>>his argument isn't helped by making a lot of generalized 
>>>statements. Also he critiques WOSonOS in a way that makes it hard 
>>>to separate his critique if the event from a critique of the team, 
>>>even though he later clarifies that he wasn't critiquing the 
>>>facilitator. It's tricky to make a forceful and powerful critique 
>>>without it seeming personal.
>>>
>>>My response to these posts is that Paul is right in substance. In 
>>>general my take in things is that the Law of Two Feet applies. If 
>>>you are not learning or contributing find some way or some where 
>>>that you can. That's what makes things better. Obviously expecting 
>>>others to change the way the way a process seems too dependant on 
>>>them is rational madness.
>>>
>>>Chris
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>>>On 2012-10-20, at 5:09 AM, 
>>>"<mailto:alan at alanhalford.com.au>alan at alanhalford.com.au" 
>>><<mailto:alan at alanhalford.com.au>alan at alanhalford.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Just spent a delicious  three days co-learning with Peggy Holman 
>>>>here in Perth then I read this -
>>>>So, what's possible now?
>>>><http://rationalmadness.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/the-tragic-re-imprisonment-of-open-space/>http://rationalmadness.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/the-tragic-re-imprisonment-of-open-space/
>>>>
>>>>take care out there
>>>>alan
>>>>
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