[OSList] Peggy plus OST Linkedin Comment

[Pernilla Luttropp]

Thank you Koos!
I like the ³to invite a voice that might otherwise go unspoken². I¹ll try to
translate it into Swedish but I¹m afraid that some of the gentleness and
poetry will be lost.

Pernilla



Den 2012-10-21 18.50, skrev "Koos de Heer" <koos at auryn.nl>:

> Dear Pernilla,
> 
> Thank  you for sharing your observations.
> 
> I agree with what you write about the Law of Two Feet and I have experimented
> with the way I explain it in my introductions.
> 
> After explaining what the Law of two Feet is, I usually say that folks of
> course have the opportunity to just get up and leave quietly, no need for
> apologies or explanations. And there is also the option to give a voice to the
> fact that you are not tuned in to the conversation. It might be that the train
> your thoughts are taking (or the very fact that you are distracted) is a very
> valuable contribution to the conversation. If that is not the case, you still
> have the option of leaving quietly.
> 
> I say this as a way to invite a voice that might otherwise go unspoken.
> 
> Warm greetings from a drizzling London Sunday afternoon (on my way home)
> 
> Koos de Heer
> 
> Pernilla Luttropp <pluttropp at swipnet.se>schreef:
> 
> I have a tendency to get stuck in polarisations, and it is seldom a productive
> way forward - if that¹s the way I want to go.
> I enjoy reading your reflections on if Open Space Technology is imprisoned or
> not and I¹ll try to keep my awareness on not ending up in good/bad,
> prison/freedom, structure/chaos, right/wrong etc.
> 
> But I do think that OST rises a fundamental and existential question of
> wanting to take part in a community, and contribute in any way possible, or to
> walk away to another community or to solitude. It is for sure one of the most
> fundamental questions in my life and it has sometimes left me in a
> shaky/vague/uncertain position. Who can I turn to if I¹m in doubt of if this
> community will provide the safety I need in order to explore this existential
> matter? At WOSonOS I got the opportunity to try to put these thoughts into
> words together with other people who shared their vulnerability, fears and
> emotions with me. I¹m very grateful to those of you who shared this with me.
> At some other sessions I didn¹t feel that safety or openness of exploring the
> questions I raised at that very moment, so I used my two feet. I later found
> out that  someone else (thank you Tova) took my chair and the conversation
> went on - whenever it starts is the right time. To me that is the strength of
> a working community, it¹s not about me and my needs (it¹s a starting point but
> not the goal). It¹s about what I bring and how it is received. To me it¹s
> about the latin word communicare, to share and make common. It takes a lot of
> courage to take a step in to the circle, at least for me. And it takes a lot
> of awareness from the community  in order to stay open to change and soft
> voices.
> 
> Since I left London I¹ve facilitated two Open Spaces, both came out of
> politicians need to talk about democracy. They were very different but they
> made me notice how hard it can be for some people to leave a circle (or the
> event), how hard it can be to be left by others and the courage to stay and
> stick to your needs, even if you are only half aware of what they are. It
> makes me humble and a bit scared of what I put people through. And being the
> person I am, I¹m interested in what makes people stay and leave in order to
> talk about the community. Not just to say that it¹s the law.
> 
> To create a community were we try to invite these feelings, thoughts and
> actions (and everything in between) and at the same time try to put it in to
> some kind of organized form, is not an easy task. I don¹t have the answer on
> how to do that, and I think there are many answers, but as long as I can raise
> questions and someone answers, I¹m happy to be part of this circle and
> community.
> 
> From a rainy Stockholm in Sweden
> Pernilla Luttropp
> 
> 
> 
> Den 2012-10-21 12.22, skrev "Koos de Heer" <koos at auryn.nl>:
> 
>> Hi Chris, 
>> 
>> I am not sure I understand what you mean when you say that the law of two
>> feet applies. If it means as much as "This is Open Space, love it or leave
>> it," I feel compelled to say that I don't support that.
>> 
>> Of course I can walk out of a session if I am feeling that I am neither
>> learning nor contributing. But if I have the idea that the Open Space
>> gathering as a whole could use improvements in the way it is run, referring
>> to the law of two feet can become a way to evade a discussion that needs to
>> take place. It can take place at a later date, which is what is happening now
>> and that is fine.
>> 
>> Koos
>> 
>> 
>> Op 20 okt. 2012 om 21:23 heeft Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com> het
>> volgende geschreven:
>> 
>>> The critique in the article is fine. And the subsequent link Phelim sent
>>> along is fine too. Paul's tone is a bit jarring and his argument isn't
>>> helped by making a lot of generalized statements. Also he critiques WOSonOS
>>> in a way that makes it hard to separate his critique if the event from a
>>> critique of the team, even though he later clarifies that he wasn't
>>> critiquing the facilitator. It's tricky to make a forceful and powerful
>>> critique without it seeming personal.
>>> 
>>> My response to these posts is that Paul is right in substance. In general my
>>> take in things is that the Law of Two Feet applies. If you are not learning
>>> or contributing find some way or some where that you can. That's what makes
>>> things better. Obviously expecting others to change the way the way a
>>> process seems too dependant on them is rational madness.
>>> 
>>> Chris
> 
> 
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