[OSList] Articles on dialogue in different cultures

Wed Jan 18 10:57:07 PST 2012

Thanks Michael,

I found it. For some reason I couldn't find it before. So I used the 
search function in an electronic version I had access to. But for some 
reason in most of the quotations I found, some of the words had been 
changed and therefore I was searching for the wrong phrase.

Thanks a lot for helping me out.

Bui

On 18/01/2012 2:42 PM, Michael M Pannwitz wrote:
> Dear Bui,
> its on page 19 of "On Dialogue", Routledge Classic, 1996, ISBN10: 
> 0415336414, available on amazon for between 12 and 16 Euro... 
> introduced by Senge and Nichol.
> cheers
> mmp
>
> On 18.01.2012 18:36, Bui Petersen wrote:
>> Thanks Birgitt,
>>
>> I'm mostly interesting in what is universal (i.e. option 2.) As someone
>> who has moved around a fair amount myself, I can certainly identify with
>> your experience.
>>
>> I am particularly inspired by the following quote attributed to David
>> Bohm (supposedly from "On Dialogue" but it is not it my copy of the 
>> book):
>>> /From time to time, (the) tribe (gathered) in a circle. They just
>>> talked and talked and talked, apparently to no purpose. They made no
>>> decisions. There was no leader. And everybody could participate. There
>>> may have been wise men or wise women that were listened to a bit more
>>> – the older ones – but everybody could talk. The meeting went on,
>>> until it finally seemed to stop for no reason at all and the group
>>> dispersed. Yet after that, everybody seemed to know what to do,
>>> because they understood each other so well. They could get together in
>>> smaller groups and do something or decide things./
>>
>> Bui
>>
>>
>> On 18/01/2012 12:33 PM, Birgitt Williams wrote:
>>> One consideration...it is important to distinguish whether you wish 
>>> to focus
>>> on
>>> 1.what is different among different cultures
>>> OR
>>> 2.what is universal and the same among the entire human race
>>>
>>> I personally spent years attempting to understand what was different 
>>> and
>>> spent three years of training as a cultural interpreter. I finally 
>>> figured
>>> out that unless I was deeply 'in' a culture, I could not really 
>>> understand.
>>> I find this even in my own life. I was born in Germany, yet because 
>>> I moved
>>> to Canada when I was two, I don't totally understand the German 
>>> culture or
>>> forms of dialogue. Because I was an immigrant into Canada, I also 
>>> never came
>>> to fully understand the Canadian culture of ways of dialogue. And 
>>> then I
>>> moved to the southeastern USA some years ago and still am finding my 
>>> way
>>> after 12 years to understand this culture and the nuances of 
>>> dialogue. I
>>> have spent some considerable time in India and in Africa...and the same
>>> findings.
>>>
>>> So, after all of my investigations to the cultural differences, when 
>>> I was
>>> putting together our workshop modules, I focused on what is 
>>> universal, what
>>> is the same. We are all members of the human race and what is the 
>>> same is in
>>> us all.
>>>
>>> Blessings,
>>> Birgitt Williams
>>> www.dalarinternational.com
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>> [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Bui 
>>> Petersen
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:31 AM
>>> To:76066.515 at compuserve.com; World wide Open Space Technology email 
>>> list
>>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Articles on dialogue in different cultures
>>>
>>> I intend to have them do that but it is part of an academic course. So
>>> it is required to be at least a little bit academic. Thanks for the
>>> suggestion though. :)
>>>
>>> Bui
>>>
>>> On 17/01/2012 10:40 PM, doug wrote:
>>>> Bui--
>>>>
>>>> Permit me to borrow the hat from the man and ask: Why have them read
>>>> about it and listen to someone talking about it? Instead you could 
>>>> have
>>>> them do dialogue and then report out what it was like and what they
>>>> learned....
>>>>
>>>> Or not....
>>>>
>>>> <Handing hat back to the man>
>>>>
>>>>             :- Doug.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 2012-01-17 at 16:23 -0330, Bui Petersen wrote:
>>>>> Hi fellow OSers,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been ask to present a talk about on dialogue as part of
>>>>> university course on Cross-cultural communication. I am thinking 
>>>>> that it
>>>>> may be interesting to talk about dialogue and how some of the 
>>>>> approaches
>>>>> we use are influenced by traditions from different cultures (e.g.
>>>>> circles, OS marketplace, etc.). The intent to assign reading for the
>>>>> students prior to the class, but it is proving to be a bit more
>>>>> difficult than expected to find articles on this topic. There are 
>>>>> lots
>>>>> of sources on how people from the "west" have gone to other 
>>>>> countries to
>>>>> do dialogue, but I have found very little describing traditional
>>>>> dialogue, neither theory or practice. (one likely problem is that 
>>>>> what I
>>>>> am referring to as "dialogue" may well be called something else in 
>>>>> the
>>>>> literature).
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions? Theoretical sources are OK too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Always grateful for the generous help from this list. Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Bui Petersen
>>>>>
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