[OSList] the oracle's musings

[doug]

Bernd--

Yes it is a good response to my question.

And your experience is confirming mine that writing a good invitation 
can help keep the conversations going toward the positive and avoiding 
the conflicts. Not that we want to avoid conflicts, but that, using 
politics in the USA as prime example, we don't want to only concentrate 
on our conflicts. So we would not for instance create an invitation that 
says "Come settle your differences once and for all," but we might say 
"What are the Issues and Opportunities around X?"

			:- Doug.




On 02/25/2012 12:24 PM, Bernhard Weber wrote:
> Doug
>
> Ok, I see what you mean,
>
> I do not really see, that it "usufel to seek (such) settings out". But I believe (and have a little bit of experience) that OST works/is useful under such "highly conflictuous" conditions for
>
> a) getting the necessary work done without doing explicitly conflict management
> b) getting the necessary work done and build some trust by this experience
> c) getting the necessary work done and ....
>
> and there seem to be lots and lots of experiences of others in this list that also point into this direction. I see right now, that/what HO wrote in answering your posting...
>
> To me it seems that it very much depends of a in depth search for what this "necessary work" (or problem apart from those you mentioned) is and then a creative formulation of the title of the OST meeting/event
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> In general I tend to believe, that difference/diversity of perspective/opinion and therefore a tendency to have a conflictuous situation is a pre-condition of development and therefore also of OST.
> Now these conflicts can reach a level, that people can not talk to each other any longer under the setting where they meet each other usually, that is true.
> But that is exactly where OST creates a context where quite a high level still does NOT make it impossible for the people to talk to each other, and gives the possibility, especially by the law of 2 feets to not be forced to confront each other with more than tolerable and then there is a diversity of contexts for meeting each other in a planned, not planned or unconsiously selected way that OST offers during working and breaks, and very often it is a informal trust building process that I saw happen.
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> But I am not shure if this is an answer to your question
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> Bernd
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> On Feb 25, 2012, at 9:22 PM, doug wrote:
>
>> Bernd--
>>
>> By "seeking out settings of high distrust," I suspect I mean situations,
>> such as in a community, where members of one political party does not
>> trust members of the other, where races suspect the others of being
>> evil, where one class has traditionally subjugated another, or in a
>> company where sales people don't talk with engineers who won't talk with
>> manufacturing....
>>
>> 			:- Doug.
>>
>> On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 12:32 +0530, Bernhard Weber wrote:
>>> Doug,
>>>
>>> I know people who have or have no trust in other people, in organizations, in promises, in recommended solutions....
>>> And there may be events where people with more or less (mutual or self-) trust are meeting. And there are lots of examples for Open Space with both types.
>>>
>>> But what do you mean exactly by "seeking our settings of high distrust"?
>>>
>>> Bernd
>>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2012, at 10:33 PM, doug wrote:
>>>
>>>> Artur--
>>>>
>>>> Thanks! Agreed!
>>>>
>>>> And this conversation has me wondering, Would it be useful (for our
>>>> clients and our world) to actually seek out settings of high distrust?
>>>> Useful for what?
>>>>
>>>> 			:- Doug.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 08:43 -0800, Artur Silva wrote:
>>>>> Doug,
>>>>>
>>>>> IMO definitivelly not. We must invite and embrace diversity. Not the
>>>>> other way around.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Artur
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Fri, 2/24/12, doug<ost at footprintsinthewind.com>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>       From: doug<ost at footprintsinthewind.com>
>>>>>       Subject: Re: [OSList] the oracle's musings
>>>>>       To: "World wide Open Space Technology email list"
>>>>>       <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>>>>>       Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 8:01 AM
>>>>>
>>>>>       Harrison--
>>>>>
>>>>>       (...)
>>>>>
>>>>>       Stated the other way around: Should we seek to bring into the
>>>>>       space only
>>>>>       people who trust each other?
>>>>>
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