[OSList] "Academic Validity?" (again) [was: Re: (no subject)]

Sat Apr 21 19:01:48 PDT 2012

Harrison,
Just a suggestion, would you like to give all these comments at the OST page in facebook, where people would press the button "like", without saying anything more.
It will be more fun .
Franklin

--- On Sun, 4/22/12, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:

From: Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [OSList] "Academic Validity?" (again) [was: Re:  (no subject)]
To: "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'" <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
Date: Sunday, 22 April, 2012, 5:54 AM

And for anybody who cares… I am not offended, insulted, or otherwise compromised – except for the continuing loss of neuronal patterns… Artur – I Love you! And I was JOKING! Horrible American habit. We say one thing – and mean totally the opposite. How weird is that? And a lesson for myself – This is a GLOBAL COMMUNITY, in which we all appear as we are, dressed in our cultural drag (…another bad American  saying) – and we totally need to understand that others may not understand us in the way we intended. And isn’t that sad/wonderful? Just another day in Open Space…  Harrison  Harrison Owen7808 River Falls Dr.Potomac, MD 20854USA  189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)Camden, Maine 20854  Phone 301-365-2093(summer)  207-763-3261  www.openspaceworld.comwww.ho-image.com (Personal Website)To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
  From: oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:10 PM
To: 'Artur Silva'; 'World wide Open Space Technology email list'
Subject: Re: [OSList] "Academic Validity?" (again) [was: Re: (no subject)]  Artur! I’m insulted!! What do you mean, “but his post is IMHO off topic?” I guess part of the problem is that I never did learn what “IMHO” means. Possibly an indigenous war cry? (IM-HO!!) A new synthetic nutrient, somehow related to TOFU? The Portuguese translation of SNAFU? Oh well, antediluvian that I am…  ho         Harrison Owen7808 River Falls Dr.Potomac, MD 20854USA  189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)Camden, Maine 20854  Phone 301-365-2093(summer)  207-763-3261  www.openspaceworld.comwww.ho-image.com (Personal Website)To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org  From: oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Artur Silva
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 10:31 AM
To: bbunker at buffalo.edu; 'World wide Open Space Technology email list'
Subject: [OSList] "Academic Validity?" (again) [was: Re: (no subject)]  Hi:
1. I fully agree with Barbara.
2. I also agree with Harrison, but his post is IMHO off topic.
3. I am always surprised when people ask questions about a topic (especially if it is about a research topic) without having previously done some little research of their own. My result of a simple search on "research" at "openspacespaceworld.org" conducted me to here: http://www.openspaceworld.org/news/cat/openspacetech/research/ and then to here: http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/wiki.cgi?ResearchActivities. Regards Artur    From: Barbara B. Bunker <bbunker at buffalo.edu>To: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>; Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> 
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: [OSList] (no subject)
Someone is confused!  "Research methods" are things like lab research, field
research, qualitative research, unobtrusive methods i.e. ways of collecting data
to study behavior.

Focus groups, Delphi, and yes, even Open Space are methods used for specific
purposes in organizations (and elsewhere). They are not research methods.  And
yes, there has been research employing focus groups, Delphi, etc in order to
study some behavior or outcome.

It's may be difficult to create a good research study using Open Space but I
imagine it may already exist or could be done.  B3

Barbara B. Bunker Ph.D.
Professor of Psychology Emerita
The University at Buffalo
117 Highland Avenue
Buffalo, NY 14222
716-881-2166

On Fri 04/20/12  5:14 PM , "Harrison Owen" hhowen at verizon.net sent:
> Barry - Just tell Arthur V. that he is absolutely correct. But it is
> better than that! Not only is Open Space "academically invalid" - it
> couldn't possibly work, and violates all known principles and
> practices of management and meeting management. Definitely a No-No! 
> But I think all this says much more about Academe than it does about
> Open Space, which as we all know - works every time, despite the fact
> that it is illegal, immoral and fattening - to say nothing of being
> contrary to the best management principles, etc, etc.  
> You can quote me.
> ho
> Harrison Owen
> 
> 7808 River Falls Dr.
> 
> Potomac, MD 20854
> 
> USA
> 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)
> 
> Camden, Maine 20854
> Phone 301-365-2093
> 
> (summer)  207-763-3261
> www.openspaceworld.com
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> www.ho-image.com (Personal Website)
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> FROM: oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
> [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] ON BEHALF OF Barry
> Owen
> SENT: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:55 AM
> TO: oslist; vasconcelos at alum.mit.edu
> SUBJECT: [OSList] "Academic Validity?"
> Hi Folks,
> I know this is not the first time this question has surfaced. 
> Who out there (in here) has some good stuff to share?
> This "academic validity" question boggles my mind
> The message initially came through the Open Space facebook page
> J ARTHUR VASCONCELOS [2] 
> 
> Hi! I was questioned about the use of OS in research. I was planning
> on using OS for a section of my thesis but got criticized for "OS not
> having academic validity" and "has never been used in research" and
> "it is not a recognized research method like a focus group or delphi
> pannel". HELP! Any info about using OS in academia? Thank you!  
> 
> 
> 
> Links:
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> [1]
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
> [2] http://www.facebook.com/jarthur.vasconcelos
> 
> 

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