[OSList] Designing an OS way

[Michael Herman]

perfect, florian!  for now anyway.  <grin>  m


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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:59 PM, fischer florian
<florianfischer at ff-wey.com>wrote:

> It seems.
> it seems order while steadily renewing order
> it seems equilibrium while oscillating between different levels
> it seems symetric while it becomes asymetric in the same moment
> it seems dance while dancing
> it seems standing in quietness while full of inner vibration
> it is called sleep while steadily breathing
> it seems driving straight while steadily correcting the direction
> it seems to be a system while it is connected and influenced endless
> it seems to be chaotic while it is cosmic
> it seems to emerge within a sudden while it developed itself since long
> time
>
> In the words of beloved late Ralph Copleman »Everything is moving«
> That is: Everything is open, every process is open, every system is open.
>
> My two cents.
> Florian
>
>
> Am 19.09.2011 um 19:45 schrieb John Watkins:
>
> Great questions, Michael!
>
> I think when I am feeling optimistic (most of the time) I see OST as
> creating one of those "far from equilibrium states" that Prigogine and
> Stengers talk about as enabling new orders to emerge; however, in less
> sanguine times, I could also imagine OST as just a "subsystem fluctuation"
> enabling larger system stability.  But I think that most of our larger
> systems these days are exhibiting something like either disequilibrium or
> bifurcation points, so maybe OST is able to restructure the system
> architecture so fundamentally that a new order could emerge.  Weick talks
> about that restructuring of the system architecture in order to change the
> "flows" of energy in the system.  I think Bateson referred to one kind of
> larger system disequilibrium as an "uptight system," where at least one of
> the "variables" is "pinned" at its upper or lower limits of its range of
> flexibility, resulting in that rigidity rippling through the whole system.
> Rigid systems change more easily, but not usually in a very pretty way:
>  chaotic bursts, turbulence, tumbling into chaos, new orders emerging
> spontaneously...
>
> John
>
> On Sep 19, 2011, at 10:24 AM, Michael Herman wrote:
>
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