[OSList] more on occupy san diego

Tue Oct 18 10:46:00 PDT 2011

Raffi,  I'm loving your openness, sense of being in it, fully  
present, not knowing, and then knowing what to do from that  
openness.  You bring all that your are, know and have experienced to  
the next moment of creation. As is said, it's "messy"  and takes time  
to unfold, but then there is a moment of clarity and "clumping" which  
pulls it all together for the next act of choice.   It seems to me  
from way out here in Maine that what's happening is people are  
learning about process and living process always available to us but  
somehow, over the years, centuries,  we forgot.  I am so appreciating  
your sharing.  My thoughts come from philosophy of organism - how  
life organizes and knows itself. Also look to the invisible value  
dynamics - it takes all kinds of values to hold us together as  
organisms, sometimes the values of rules, structure, agreements help  
when they come out of what's happening, not imposed from outside.   
Then there's the values of what works, the practical,  who has the  
skills needed to get a job done and then there's the values of  
oneness,  the all connection of no boundaries -communication that  
stems from openness - love, aesthetics, possibility.  You are in one  
giant organism and are one of the cells in even larger organism when  
communication is allowed from all these levels, people self-organize  
into what needs to happen next, just like the human body 75 Trillion  
cells acting autonomously together to keep the larger organism stay  
well and thriving.  Communication to all the cells simultaneously is  
the key.    I'd be curious if any of this resonates to what you are  
experiencing.
On Oct 18, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Raffi Aftandelian wrote:

> Michael, thanks much for challenging my thinking about my role here.
>
> I'd love to hear the perspective of others. I'm also cc'ing this to  
> the Genuine Contact list as I'd love to hear the perspective of  
> GC'ers on this, too.
>
> It has me thinking that perhaps at the very least I need to put  
> something together where I am stating to others what I'm trying to  
> do. I don't know.
>
> Perhaps, what I'm really doing is being a skilled participant. I'm  
> just keeping my ears open for dissenting views, "protecting" those  
> views, helping to make sure they are heard, and when I see people  
> repeatedly stepping forward to facilitate I step in and speak up  
> about this being a "leaderless" (still have mixed feelings about  
> this word) movement. Personally have been working gradually towards  
> coming to some kind of agreement on the use of alcohol, tobacco,  
> and marijuana on site and establishing quiet hours. And for that of  
> course seeking out and listening those who might be most  
> passionately against such a change in "policy." And as I draw  
> people's perspectives out on this score, I just try to ask good  
> questions, like, "How do we honor your wishes to have lots of  
> freedom to do all of the above while holding the principle of  
> inclusivity (e.g. make the "occupation" welcoming to all)?  And you  
> can see that people's RAM is being engaged up their in the Grey  
> Matter....which is encouraging.
>
> Just to be clear- for example when I was formally facilitating a  
> committee meeting yesterday, I was not involved in the content--  
> and I made a point of that-- explaining to everyone that it is my  
> belief that a facilitator almost never gets involved in content.
>
> much warmth from the coast,
> raffi
> (aka capt. nosebleed)
>
> powered by ubuntu 10.4
> From: Michael M Pannwitz <mmpanne at boscop.org>
> To: Raffi Aftandelian <raffi_1970 at yahoo.com>; World wide Open Space  
> Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [OSList] more on occupy san diego
>
> Dear Raffi,
> for facilitation and thr role/stance of the facilitator (regardless  
> of what kind of meeting or process such as OST or FS or whatever)  
> the best in depth source and guide is
> Don't Just Do Something, Stand There!
> Georg Bischoff and me and a bunch of osnicks have translated it  
> into German, that version will be out no later than November 7.
> One of the basic notions is that roles have to be clear to be most  
> effective. A participant is a participant, a skilled participant is  
> a skilled participant, a facilitator is a facilitator (urgent  
> advice: that role needs to be transparent!)... just popped in my  
> mind on reading about the guerilla facilitation. What I seem to  
> sense is that everyone in the groups and assemblies is a potential  
> or actual leader at any one time, so leadership is shared... the  
> facilitator is also a leader but in a role that is usually not that  
> of a traditional leader, mostly effective by basically doing  
> NOTHING, which, of course, is hard and attention demanding work.
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
>
> On 18.10.2011 07:15, Raffi Aftandelian wrote:
> > spaceniks and all-
> >
> > my latest post on occupy san diego is up
> > http://reinhabitsandiego.wordpress.com
> >
> > (and again feel free to repost and share, but please don't  
> include my name).
> >
> > just want to repeat some of what i say in the post-- it's funny to
> > marvel at this seeing as i've been working with ost for some 10  
> years
> > now. The open space lens has been soooo valuable in framing how i  
> see
> > and act during occupy san diego.
> >
> > For example, our General Assembly has not been an effective
> > decision-making body for a variety of reasons, including - as  
> best as i
> > can see- police infiltration. And how have people dealt with  
> that? Use
> > their two feet!! You'll see people breaking away, forming their own
> > circles, and talking about what's really important. And I'm just  
> amazed
> > in the midst of all the fractiousness (which, it sounds like is  
> largely
> > a San diego phenomenon), there is such a high level of listening and
> > openness to different perspectives.
> >
> > I also don't cease to marvel how a facilitative presence (call it
> > guerilla facilitation?) can really amp up the quality of the
> > conversation. This is where I've found my groove thus far-- not  
> in any
> > formal facilitation (i formally facilitated a committee meeting  
> today
> > finally- at the invitation of others)- but just listening,  
> jumping on
> > dissident/divergent perspectives and trying to draw those points  
> of view
> > out.
> >
> > It's seeing how the circle keeps on popping up that i think we're  
> doomed
> > to succeed (don't ask me what success means!).
> >
> > also-- a shout out to sandy heierbacher (or anyone else on the ncdd
> > list)--- can you forward/pass on the following message:
> >
> > if there are any ncdd members in san diego, i'd love to get in touch
> > with you, so that we can have a greater facilitator/process artist
> > presence at the occupation. can someone let me know if you do  
> post this
> > to the ncdd list? (feel free to share my email with the ncdd list).
> >
> > much warmth,
> > raffi
> >
> > powered by ubuntu 10.4
> >
> >
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