[OSList] OST - Open Systems Thinking

Michael Herman michael at michaelherman.com
Tue Dec 13 13:28:31 PST 2011


definitely i forgot that bit about stopping, harrison.  <grin>  not sure
what the open space analog is, except that all the old ways of moving don't
go away.  policies and procedures and i suppose hitting those after a few
days in open space can be as much of a trick as stopping the bike.  forgot,
too, this part about eventually riding together, beyond the
asymmetry/dependence of all the previous states.  just in it, just moving
through it together.

guess there's one more connection, as once we learn it we can always go
back to it.  so opening space really is just like riding a bike.


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On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:

> Ah Michael, you old ‘cyclist you! I surely get the picture, understand the
> drift, but my perspective may be a little different. As the father of 5 and
> grandfather of 6 (last one still too small to ride…yet) I know something of
> training wheels and holding on to the back of the seat. ****
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> First for the training wheels. Fantastic invention. Provides a relatively
> painless introduction to the great art of cycling while offering relief to
> the aching back of the parent (you don’t have to bend over while running).
> Seems to go pretty much all by itself. Lesson for Open Space? Do it simple,
> do it smart – and never do more than you have to (One more thing not to
> do!).****
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> Then The Steady Hand Routine. There comes a time when the training wheels
> come off, but still a little learning to do in preparation for the solo
> ride. Your “Steady Hand” can help with the transition. But at a price. You
> get to stoop and run a lot. L But Thank God – Most kids get it real
> quick, maybe even quicker than they should, and always faster than their
> parents. But that is what youth is all about. Suddenly you find yourself
> running a lot faster than you really wanted to. Of course, you could try to
> hold on, but that only creates a lose/lose situation. You get pooped and
> the kid gets frustrated. Answer? Let go!! Lesson for Open Space? I think it
> is the same thing.****
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> Sooner or later we come to the whole matter of STOPPING. You can be
> assured that one way or another, and hopefully without a great deal of pain
> and destruction… Stopping will take place and the ride will end. It could
> well be that some handholding and a band aid or two will be needed, but for
> the most part a lot of cheering from the curb, along with some small amount
> of coaching, will take care of the business. As it turns out, there is more
> to riding a bike than pumping the peddles, but that is just details.****
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> When it is all over there is the marvelous opportunity for some great
> conversation along with a suitable libation. A Coke will do, but there are
> alternatives for the parent.  Just think of all the rides to come and the
> possibility of shared adventures… On your own, Kid and you can forget about
> training wheels and the helping hand. And with a little luck, you can share
> your new found knowledge and skills with your younger siblings. YES! It is
> called paying it forward.****
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> *From:* oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org [mailto:
> oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael Herman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2011 12:33 PM
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> i think the training wheels image is itself a half-way sort of thing.
> yes, ost is sort of training wheels in the first or maybe even few times
> used.  but probably enough as just a one time use.  as soon as a client or
> group i'm with has that first taste of the movement, my thinking and
> working with them always shifts in the direction of a parent running behind
> the bicycle.
>
> the traininig wheels image preserves a discrete separation between wheels
> on and wheels off.  i find that in making the transition, it's much more
> informative to thinking of myself as a steady hand on the back edge of the
> seat... sometimes a firm guide, sometimes lightly present feeling for first
> signs of deviations from balance, and then also some time of running behind
> and not touching at all... so that i can say very clearly and truly... you
> really were doing it all by yourself.
>
> the most important thing i think i do with people after that first taste
> in oepn space, is open the conversation about what ost is, why it worked
> (what are the shapes naturally embedded within it) and where are those
> (natural) shapes already occuring in everyday work of the group.  often,
> all th shapes are there.  sometimes there are gaps where support might be
> strengthened, sometimes there are things to stop doing because they get in
> the way.  but mostly, the pieces are all there and just need to be better
> understood, more consciously connected, and inforrmed by that first
> experience of what the body(ies) feel like when sailing down the sidewalk.
>
> ost is normal, i think, not when they have a copy of the book in the
> company library, or a corps of facilitators duly certified in the "tool"
> but when some sense of self-regulation/organization-regulation (continuous
> progress and constant balancing) has been recognized as part of every job
> description in the place.
>
> in somatics we can make a distinction between being aware of our body, in
> the body (still separate), and as a body.  much like harrison's early
> observation that ost is not about better meetings, or even better
> organizations, but a better way of being in organization.  maybe also
> captured in the ways little kids talk in english about "riding my bike" and
> how folks who've been at it a long time, life and riding, tend to describe
> themselves as "cyclists."
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> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>
> wrote:****
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> Far be it for me to pay less than full honor to Open Space and still less,
> to pay less than profound homage to all the good friends and colleagues who
> have journeyed along the way. But at the end of the day, I find myself in
> full agreement with friend Chris Corrigan who aptly described Open Space as
> “training wheels.” Training wheels are very helpful when you are learning
> to ride a bike, but you want to get rid of them as soon as possible. We
> aren’t there yet, and there is still a place for “doing” an Open Space –
> and doing it as well and simply as possible. But I always do it with a
> strong caveat, warning, or perhaps a plea. Just remember, I say, there is
> absolutely nothing I am doing with you that you can’t do for yourself. It
> ain’t rocket science! I have been doing (saying) that for a long time. And
> now I think I would raise the ante – Don’t just “Do”  an Open Space – BE it
> 24X7!! Open the space of your life and the lives of those around you, and
> you will discover your own natural state, as a participant in this
> wonderful self-organizing world. Good old OST has been very useful, to say
> nothing of fun, as a training environment and a grand experiment. But when
> the lessons are learned and the data is in – it is time to get on with
> life, as soon as possible. ****
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> As I said, we (as the global collective) are obviously not there yet – but
> I think I can see a little light at the end of the tunnel. Of course that
> may just be the train, but when it comes to hopes and expectations I can
> only say/wish “Bye bye OST – Hello Life! Or something.****
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> oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf Of *Birgitt Williams
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> Dear Harrison,****
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> A different perspective, in this case mine, is that we really honor Open
> Space Technology as an important meeting facilitation method, and that we
> are good stewards for its integrity (wholeness). This would mean that we
> preserve it in its original form for generations to come for their use and
> thereby a tool for the ongoing life nurturing shifts for humanity. Why
> would you want to advocate distilling this down to something that blends
> into disappearance when it is such a valuable tool?****
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> oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf Of *Harrison Owen
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:23 AM
> *To:* 'World wide Open Space Technology email list'
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> I love it! Confusion!! Reminds me of days long ago when I had a newsletter
> called “TWG Newsletter” In fact the letters stood for absolutely nothing at
> all – leading my friend Peter Vaill to muse that since they didn’t mean
> anything in particular, everybody was free to supply their own meanings.
> His offerings: “Those Who Grock,” “Transformation Without Gurus” – and a
> few more I can’t recall. This lead to sort of a contest with the latest
> offerings appearing in the “TWG News” (of course.) Actually, the simple
> solution to all of this is to recognize that it is all Open Space, call it
> whatever you like. Perhaps the best option is to call it nothing at all, in
> which case it (by whatever name) would simply disappear in a cloud of
> everydayness. Wonderful..****
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