Youth Leaders

Thu Oct 7 23:20:38 PDT 2010

Love this discussion! Somewhere in the middle, I think the child in us must  
be preserved and revered sharing and feeling what it is to be a kid in awe  
of simple things and at the same time I think children, teens and young  
adults crave the feeling to be included, heard deeply as equals in  
conversations that value their insights and contributions.

Leaving space in our lives to be both is something I aspire to!

That's why I agree with both perspectives.

Suzanne

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-----Original message-----
From: "Justin T. Sampson" <justin at krasama.com>
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Sent: Thu, Jan 1, 1970 00:00:00 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Youth Leaders

Hi Tree,

I share your concerns about schools focusing on test scores and kids not
spending time enjoying cloud-gazing and such. Interestingly, I see those
problems as quite opposite to young folks getting involved in public life,
whereas you see them closely aligned.

For one thing, I don't think most adults are all that much more qualified
for public decision-making than teenagers. I'm not saying that most adults
are unintelligent; just that "decision-making ability" is not something I
see as particularly correlated with "being adult." Sure, I have lots more
facts in my head and more stories to tell, which are all very valuable. But
adults can also get set in our ways, and a fresh, youthful perspective can
shake things up and get us unstuck.

I'm sad to think of kids being pushed to be overachievers, get high test
scores, and rush through school into work. And somehow, at the same time,
"talking to adults about important matters" feels more akin to
"cloud-gazing" than any of that! Being on the board of an institute does
sounds pretty intense, but I would have loved to be on the board of my
church as a teenager, for example, and in retrospect I still think I would
have been a good addition.

Cheers,
Justin

P.S. You made the same typo as Ashley -- but I assume you both meant Jane
Goodall!

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Tree Fitzpatrick <
therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com> wrote:

> There are many things off kilter in human culture. One thing that I think
> is off kilter is that adult humans now routinely encourage non-adult  
humans
> to participate in things like 'public decision making'.  Where did we get
> the assumption that a young person has the capacity of a fully evolved  
adult
> human to make informed decisions that might have long term consequences on
> the child, other children, the community, the culture, etc? Children are  
not
> yet adult.
>
> We encourage children to 'awaken' to adulthood far too early.
>
> I am appalled that many now take it for granted that children (a non-adult
> is still a child) should sit on something like the Board of Directors of
> something like the Jane Goddall Institute (whatever that is, I imagine
> Ashley meant Jane Goddall).
>
> This is a major flaw, I think, in evolving culture and it has endlessly
> complex repercussions.
>
> Children's job is to be children, to developo their own personhood fully  
so
> that they will one day take a place in adult community. Children awaken to
> adult considerations much too early. TElevision has been a huge culprit in
> this regard and now, of course, the internet.
>
> A child's main work is being a child. It's just not right to cavalierly  
get
> youth input into decisioins that children cannot, just cannot, really  
know.
> A twelve year old, a sixteen year old, is not mature enough to make  
complex
> public decisions and it is wrong to ask them to:  asking children to
> participate in grown up life as peers with the adults dishonors children
>
> I get my main attitudes about children from having sent my child to a
> Waldorf School and having been a student of Rudolf STeiner for over twenty
> years. Much of what is wrong with human culture can be traced to the
> practice of stunting youthful inner development under the guise of  
awakening
> children too early to adult concerns. This is why we now have an education
> system in USA that is focussed on test scores instead of the inner
> development of children. There is a story in today's NYTImes about how
> publishers are publishing less picture books and how parents pressure four
> years olds to listen to long stories and skip picture books so they will
> have better test scores later. . . this dynamic is connected to including
> youth in public decisinmaking.
>
> I know this is a very popular trend and I know Ashely Cooper is deeply
> invested in the world and I know she is a good caring person intent on
> making positive contributions in the world.
>
> I get to have my opinion, yes?  I am worried about the millions of humans
> who are children today who are not cloud-gazing and spending their summers
> hunting rocks and birds' nests and who are told, when they are twelve,  
that
> they can contribute to public decisions. Grown up humans have a duty to
> children:  to let them be children. Otherwise what we are creating is an
> army of humans who are not fully developed humans who will make good wage
> slaves for the elite billionaires running the tea part movement. Thinking
> caring loving people should not participate in pushing children into the
> adult arena while children.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 6:51 PM, ashley cooper <mail.easilyamazed at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hello Open Space friends,
>>
>> I have fallen off of the OSlist for awhile, but I wanted to share with  
you
>> a talk from a recent TEDx event that I hosted,
>> TEDxNextGenerationAsheville  
<http://www.tedxnextgenerationasheville.com/>.
>> This event was all about spotlighting the ideas of young people and  
giving
>> them a public stage from which to share and be heard. It was also an
>> invitation for there to be more collaboration between youth and adults.
>> Chase Pickering spoke about the role of youth in leadership and how young
>> people can contribute to public decision-making and serve on Board of
>> Directors (which he did with the Jane Goddall Institute). If you are in a
>> position to invite a youth to serve on your board of directors or  
advisory
>> board or encourage the clients you work with, please consider Chase's
>> advice!
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27IJpZVP1qs
>>
>> You can also watch Birke Baehr's talk about the food we eat. He is an 11
>> year old who is passionate about food and whose talk has gone viral and  
been
>> viewed over 200,000 times in less than 2 weeks.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7Id9caYw-Y
>>
>> Sending fondest regards from Asheville, NC, USA,
>> Ashley
>>
>> P.s. If you would like to respond to me personally, please send it to
>> easilyamazed at gmail.com . I have not been checking this account regularly.
>> Thank you.
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