SV: Working group

Allison & Jim Baensch mbody at iinet.net.au
Sat Mar 13 03:31:39 PST 2010


Hi Thomas,

Thank you for this information.
I did part of the Genuine Contact Program training some years ago.
At that stage, I was not aware of an online version.
While I was studying at uni, I stopped receiving Genuine Contact emails.

It would be sensible for me to look into software further.

I would really appreciate your sending the document that you mentioned.
My best address for that would be <mbody at iinet.net.au>

Thanks,
Allison.

On 13/03/2010, at 4:39 AM, Thomas Herrmann wrote:

> Dear Allison
> I have put quite a lot of energy into developing methods for distance
> meetings, together with other collegues. We use an online version  
> of Whole
> Person Process Facilitation (The Genuine Contact Program) to  
> facilitate
> distance meetings - with great results.
> Some pieces I also used in some of the telephone conferences we  
> have had
> with OS-Institutes through the last years. I start by asking each
> participant to draw a circle on a piece of paper (can be prepared  
> beforehand
> by the facilitator if you have a suitable software which allows you  
> to use
> common whiteboards (we have a license for LiveMeeting).
> Then each person has a seat in the circle. This gives you as  
> facilitator at
> least two options using rounds and placing an object in the center for
> people to take if they want to speak. This way people may speak  
> until they
> are finished w/o being interrupted.
>
> Using a good software can give you more options - showing documents,
> whiteboards, textdocuments, spaces for break out groups, video and  
> whatever.
> That way it's easier to have variation, give space for different  
> learning
> styles and have high energy throughout the meeting and also achieve  
> more!
>
> Maybe Skype is good enough these days, even if you will not have  
> all the
> functions mentioned above. Earlier we had lots of problems with
> interruptions using Skype, MSN and other freeware. So now we had  
> LiveMeeting
> for a year.
>
> We gathered some experiences (for facilitators and participants) in a
> document a couple of years ago -time to update - but I could send  
> it to you
> if you like.
> Warm regards
> Thomas
>
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>
> Hi All,
> I am unsure how to proceed and would appreciate your suggestions or
> thoughts.
>
> As one of a hundred members of an Australian professional
> association, I have offered to be on a new, nine person working group.
> I was asked to set up this group, by ringing people who had expressed
> interest in the association's future.
> (Concerns had been expressed by several members about our future and
> how to establish a suitable structure.)
> The working group had been asked to look at structures including
> incorporation and to write a constitution for the association.
>
> Members of the working group are scattered through much of Australia,
> so phone or similar meetings are more likely than face to face.
>
> There is some interest in using Open Space.
> One member of the group recently attended a 5 day Open Space
> gathering and was most impressed.
> I have sent the openspaceworld web site to group members.
>
> For some reason I am having difficulty with finding the next step.
> I guess it has to do with invitation.
> And with knowing how we can best 'meet' if Open Space is chosen as
> our group's meeting and operating structure.
> It might be to do with finding a suitable technology.
>
> The bodywork we all perform has many of the same principles as Open
> Space, in a physical way.
>
> Greetings from a cool, clear Autumn day in South-East Victoria,
> Australia,
> from Allison.
>
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>From  Sat Mar 13 12:48:27 2010
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Dear Allison
I sent you the manual – we have had quite some learning lately and I just
recently started to use “online-WPPF” with my clients. I will let e network
of facilitators try it in a few weeks. They come from a large global company
longing for this kind of method
 Exciting!

There is quite some useful stuff in the manual – even though I think we
could update and add quite some learnings we’ve had. The main thing though
is sooo simple – just use the circle and a talking stick.

Feel free to contact me any time if I can be of any assistance
Warm regards

Thomas Herrmann - naturlig företagsutveckling
Open Space Consulting
Tel +46 (0)709-98 97 81
Epost: thomas at openspaceconsulting.com
Hemsida: www.openspaceconsulting.com
Del i Konsultgruppen Beyond Performance Group
Medägare i Genuine Contact Co-owners Group LLC

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Ta tillvara hela potentialen och skapa en långsiktigt hållbar och
framgångsrik verksamhet! Vi har verktygen och stödjer helst att överföra
kompetensen så ni kan klara er utan oss...
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Hi Thomas,

Thank you for this information.
I did part of the Genuine Contact Program training some years ago.
At that stage, I was not aware of an online version.
While I was studying at uni, I stopped receiving Genuine Contact emails.

It would be sensible for me to look into software further.

I would really appreciate your sending the document that you mentioned.
My best address for that would be <mbody at iinet.net.au>

Thanks,
Allison.

On 13/03/2010, at 4:39 AM, Thomas Herrmann wrote:

> Dear Allison
> I have put quite a lot of energy into developing methods for distance
> meetings, together with other collegues. We use an online version  
> of Whole
> Person Process Facilitation (The Genuine Contact Program) to  
> facilitate
> distance meetings - with great results.
> Some pieces I also used in some of the telephone conferences we  
> have had
> with OS-Institutes through the last years. I start by asking each
> participant to draw a circle on a piece of paper (can be prepared  
> beforehand
> by the facilitator if you have a suitable software which allows you  
> to use
> common whiteboards (we have a license for LiveMeeting).
> Then each person has a seat in the circle. This gives you as  
> facilitator at
> least two options using rounds and placing an object in the center for
> people to take if they want to speak. This way people may speak  
> until they
> are finished w/o being interrupted.
>
> Using a good software can give you more options - showing documents,
> whiteboards, textdocuments, spaces for break out groups, video and  
> whatever.
> That way it's easier to have variation, give space for different  
> learning
> styles and have high energy throughout the meeting and also achieve  
> more!
>
> Maybe Skype is good enough these days, even if you will not have  
> all the
> functions mentioned above. Earlier we had lots of problems with
> interruptions using Skype, MSN and other freeware. So now we had  
> LiveMeeting
> for a year.
>
> We gathered some experiences (for facilitators and participants) in a
> document a couple of years ago -time to update - but I could send  
> it to you
> if you like.
> Warm regards
> Thomas
>
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> Från: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] För Allison & Jim
> Baensch
> Skickat: den 11 mars 2010 23:32
> Till: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Ämne: Working group
>
> Hi All,
> I am unsure how to proceed and would appreciate your suggestions or
> thoughts.
>
> As one of a hundred members of an Australian professional
> association, I have offered to be on a new, nine person working group.
> I was asked to set up this group, by ringing people who had expressed
> interest in the association's future.
> (Concerns had been expressed by several members about our future and
> how to establish a suitable structure.)
> The working group had been asked to look at structures including
> incorporation and to write a constitution for the association.
>
> Members of the working group are scattered through much of Australia,
> so phone or similar meetings are more likely than face to face.
>
> There is some interest in using Open Space.
> One member of the group recently attended a 5 day Open Space
> gathering and was most impressed.
> I have sent the openspaceworld web site to group members.
>
> For some reason I am having difficulty with finding the next step.
> I guess it has to do with invitation.
> And with knowing how we can best 'meet' if Open Space is chosen as
> our group's meeting and operating structure.
> It might be to do with finding a suitable technology.
>
> The bodywork we all perform has many of the same principles as Open
> Space, in a physical way.
>
> Greetings from a cool, clear Autumn day in South-East Victoria,
> Australia,
> from Allison.
>
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>From  Sat Mar 13 10:19:35 2010
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Allison--

No breakouts on Skype, nor even on the conference calls we had (except
the new one--Christine Whitney Sanchez can tell us about that). So we do
things in serial order.

			:- Doug.



On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 22:13 +1100, Allison & Jim Baensch wrote:
> Thanks Doug,
> 
> 
> It's good to hear other groups have met this way.
> 
> 
> How do you manage break out groups on Skype?
> I have used Skype a little, but not for Open Space.
> 
> 
> Does each break out group need to make another call, using a different
> phone number?
> Or does the whole group stay together on the original number?
> 
> 
> I'll have a look at the Doodle site.
> 
> 
> Allison.
> 
> 
> On 12/03/2010, at 2:12 PM, doug wrote:
> 
> > Allison--
> > 
> > 
> > The Open Space Institute-US board meets in open space monthly via
> > conference call, using one of the free conference sites.
> > 
> > 
> > Climate Space people met internationally for several months using
> > Skype.
> > 
> > 
> > And people are using Skype and conference calls to meet in open
> > space
> > from all over the horizon, by posting an inviting question on the
> > OSlist
> > or elsewhere, offering some alternative times (you can sort through
> > them
> > with sites like doodle.com), and then giving out the telephone
> > number.
> > 
> > 
> > So I'd say come up with an inviting question, send it out and open
> > the
> > space. Maybe 4 or 5 of you can meet that way ahead of the rest to
> > decide
> > on the inviting question.
> > 
> > 
> > :- Doug.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 09:31 +1100, Allison & Jim Baensch wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > > I am unsure how to proceed and would appreciate your suggestions
> > > or  
> > > thoughts.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > As one of a hundred members of an Australian professional  
> > > association, I have offered to be on a new, nine person working
> > > group.
> > > I was asked to set up this group, by ringing people who had
> > > expressed  
> > > interest in the association's future.
> > > (Concerns had been expressed by several members about our future
> > > and  
> > > how to establish a suitable structure.)
> > > The working group had been asked to look at structures including  
> > > incorporation and to write a constitution for the association.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Members of the working group are scattered through much of
> > > Australia,  
> > > so phone or similar meetings are more likely than face to face.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > There is some interest in using Open Space.
> > > One member of the group recently attended a 5 day Open Space  
> > > gathering and was most impressed.
> > > I have sent the openspaceworld web site to group members.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > For some reason I am having difficulty with finding the next step.
> > > I guess it has to do with invitation.
> > > And with knowing how we can best 'meet' if Open Space is chosen
> > > as  
> > > our group's meeting and operating structure.
> > > It might be to do with finding a suitable technology.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The bodywork we all perform has many of the same principles as
> > > Open  
> > > Space, in a physical way.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Greetings from a cool, clear Autumn day in South-East Victoria,  
> > > Australia,
> > > from Allison.
> > > 
> > > 
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>From  Sat Mar 13 10:20:49 2010
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Allison--

For images too, take a look at drop.io. There are probably others like
it.

			:- Doug.



On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 22:19 +1100, Allison & Jim Baensch wrote:
> Hi Koos,
> 
> Sadly, we are too spread out to gather in person, though it would be  
> great to meet.
> There are even 2 working group members presently in New Zealand,  
> located far from each other, I think.
> The rest are several hours' drive from each other in several states  
> of Australia.
> 
> So Skype sounds like the way to go, with email exchanges to back  
> conversations up.
> I was hoping to find a way to use images as we talk, but didn't think  
> of our inventing a name and logo for the project - thanks.
> 
>  From quite a warm, humid evening on the Bellarine Peninsula.
> Allison.
> 
> On 12/03/2010, at 6:29 PM, koos at auryn.nl wrote:
> 
> > Hi Allison,
> >
> > Just had a conversation last night with two good friends about this.
> >
> > Our conclusion was that electronic ways of meeting work much better  
> > once you have established face to face contact first. If people  
> > don't know each other from physical presence beforehand, it is much  
> > harder to establish any kind of rapport online.
> >
> > It also helps if small subgroups (two or three) that are close  
> > enough for travelling, do meet regularly and share their results  
> > online with the rest who are farther away.
> >
> > People have tried to copy the mechanism of Open Space to an online  
> > platform, like Gabriela Ender did with Open Space Online. Even  
> > though it is a great product and well designed, my personal belief  
> > is that the Open Space structure was designed for a physical  
> > meeting. Bringing the Open Space principles to an online platform  
> > does not mean copying the structure directly to an online  
> > application. The few times that I tried, I have felt rather unhappy  
> > in an OS online conference. I think the principles of Open Space  
> > need translation before they can work well online. It is like  
> > translating a text: translation is not so much about transferring  
> > the text word by word to another language, but it is about  
> > capturing the images, the story and retelling that in the other  
> > language.
> >
> > So if you want to do something online that captures the spirit and  
> > principles of Open Space, I would go for simplicity. Use tools like  
> > Skype to have conversations between two or three locations, and use  
> > email or a forum to exchange written ideas. Maybe you can also  
> > create a name and a logo for your project, because images help to  
> > unite people behind a common goal. Try to create a rythm; meeting  
> > online every week or every two weeks, exchanging email a few times  
> > a week etc.
> >
> > Just some thoughts from a cool Utrecht,
> >
> > Koos
> >
> >
> > Citeren doug <os at footprintsinthewind.com>:
> >
> >> Allison--
> >>
> >> The Open Space Institute-US board meets in open space monthly via
> >> conference call, using one of the free conference sites.
> >>
> >> Climate Space people met internationally for several months using  
> >> Skype.
> >>
> >> And people are using Skype and conference calls to meet in open space
> >> from all over the horizon, by posting an inviting question on the  
> >> OSlist
> >> or elsewhere, offering some alternative times (you can sort  
> >> through them
> >> with sites like doodle.com), and then giving out the telephone  
> >> number.
> >>
> >> So I'd say come up with an inviting question, send it out and open  
> >> the
> >> space. Maybe 4 or 5 of you can meet that way ahead of the rest to  
> >> decide
> >> on the inviting question.
> >>
> >> 			:- Doug.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 09:31 +1100, Allison & Jim Baensch wrote:
> >>> Hi All,
> >>> I am unsure how to proceed and would appreciate your suggestions or
> >>> thoughts.
> >>>
> >>> As one of a hundred members of an Australian professional
> >>> association, I have offered to be on a new, nine person working  
> >>> group.
> >>> I was asked to set up this group, by ringing people who had  
> >>> expressed
> >>> interest in the association's future.
> >>> (Concerns had been expressed by several members about our future and
> >>> how to establish a suitable structure.)
> >>> The working group had been asked to look at structures including
> >>> incorporation and to write a constitution for the association.
> >>>
> >>> Members of the working group are scattered through much of  
> >>> Australia,
> >>> so phone or similar meetings are more likely than face to face.
> >>>
> >>> There is some interest in using Open Space.
> >>> One member of the group recently attended a 5 day Open Space
> >>> gathering and was most impressed.
> >>> I have sent the openspaceworld web site to group members.
> >>>
> >>> For some reason I am having difficulty with finding the next step.
> >>> I guess it has to do with invitation.
> >>> And with knowing how we can best 'meet' if Open Space is chosen as
> >>> our group's meeting and operating structure.
> >>> It might be to do with finding a suitable technology.
> >>>
> >>> The bodywork we all perform has many of the same principles as Open
> >>> Space, in a physical way.
> >>>
> >>> Greetings from a cool, clear Autumn day in South-East Victoria,
> >>> Australia,
> >>> from Allison.
> >>>
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