OST + wiki = ProjectWiki
Danilo Kozoderc
danilo.kozoderc at skavt.net
Sat Jun 12 12:13:42 PDT 2010
Blog is good things to make a notes and coment them. I could agree thet
for kind of IT beginers is blog more suitable then wiki for making notes
of OST.
Some wikis are quite easy to use ( Google Sites for example) and also
has possibilities to comment. Wiki is much more convinien than blogs for
cocreation after the life event .
Regards.
Danilo
Michael Herman pravi:
> i'd like to study up a bit on this drupal and org groups stuff, bob.
>
> i've done a lot of things with wiki. some good success with capturing
> things during an event. people can pick it up pretty quickly, but
> just because they 'get' it during the event, doesn't mean they can fit
> it into their lives. so the wikis mostly end when the event ends, in
> a more or less finished state.
>
> what i like better for capturing notes online now, is a simple blog.
> i prefer to work in wiki, personally, but with groups and os events,
> the shape of any standard blog seems more like the shape of the
> event. every session gets its own blog post with notes and such. teh
> conversation can continue easily in the comments section of each
> post. if there are followup actions and such, those can be reported
> there. the whole of the thing looks more like the wall then, issue,
> issue, issue, with some other notes on the sidebar, the equivalent of
> "need ride to airport at whatever time" or "resources we know about".
> there's room for clustering issues like people do on the wall. and
> new issues can be posted afterward, as they come up, in an obvious
> extension of the same basic format established during the event.
>
> the blog can link to lots of other thigns, including participants
> blogs on related work. and the thing about a blog is that it's always
> looks sort of "finished" where wikis can often be a bit rough and
> unfinished looking.
>
> yes, it might well fall to one or a few people to be the stewards of a
> blog, where wiki's are more easily opened to everyone, but that too
> seems a bit like open space... somebody is there to hold the space,
> bring the tape and markers, schedule the room, manage the computer room.
>
> a couple years ago, we did a series of events and then some training
> in buffalo new york. the sponsor of that work has moved on, and i'm
> not sure they generated as many issues to work on and open space for
> as they thought they would, if he'd stayed on in his cabinet position
> with the city. but InvitingBuffalo.com is an example of this.
> haven't looked back there in a while, but the earliest posts will have
> the form that i've suggested here.
>
> it seems the simplest online meeting/proceedings that could possibly work.
>
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> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Pat Black <patoitextiles at gmail.com
> <mailto:patoitextiles at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Robert
> I totally agree that wikis and other technologies are no
> replacement for face to face and can't have the powerful effects
> of relationship building that the face to face experiences have.
> What they are great at is allowing for those conversations to
> continue once there has been a face to face. They also create a
> structure that can manage very complex organizing amongst many
> people who are working on the same project and document those
> efforts almost effortlessly.
>
> I work with teachers to develop projects that integrate an
> academic disciple with an art or environmental project to enhance
> understanding and knowledge in the academic discipline.
> Documentation and assessment has always been an issue for me as I
> have to step out of my role as teaching/ collaborating artist to
> document. This was always a perplexing issue for both me and
> teachers but with a wiki we capture it all from the initial Open
> Space gathering to the descriptive review critique process
> students use to evaluate throughout and for the most part it
> students take care of the documentation.
>
> I agree with Lisa that the wiki has to serve a purpose for
> participants after the initial OS event. Adult participants won't
> go to a wiki to visit about the event and develop relationships,
> kids will go to just see what there friends are doing. It is
> easier for them to have virtual relationships. But people will
> use the wiki if they are working on a joint project and need to
> coordinate efforts.
> Pat
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Robert Fabian <robert at fabian.ca
> <mailto:robert at fabian.ca>> wrote:
>
> Pat et al,
>
> I'm new to OST, but have some ancient history with socio-tech
> and Search. I
> like what I've been able to discover about OST. Given my roots in
> technology, I began to explore how / if technology could be
> used in the Open
> Space process. Some preliminary thoughts:
>
> Technology should not be used to replace face-to-face. The
> dynamic is wrong,
> ... but may be a practical alternative for children of
> different ages and
> experiences. With adults, I can't see using technology as the
> medium for
> Open Space.
>
> That said, there are possible roles for technology. Technology
> could be used
> to collect information, and then result in the instant
> publication of an
> event report. But technology used that way is pure support.
> Might technology
> be used to extend an event?
>
> To my mind, Wiki dynamics don't provide a virtual mirror for
> the actual
> event. I'm attracted by the idea of using Organic Groups
> within the Drupal
> Content Management System. Organic Groups can be made to
> mirror the sessions
> which are such a basic part of OST. Anyone (after registering)
> can (be
> allowed to) create an Organic Group. Organic Groups can be
> visible to all
> (or kept private), but to contribute you need to join the
> Group. They
> provide a reasonable virtual environment for use of the Law of
> Two Feet.
>
> The technology is inexpensive. Drupal with Organic Groups
> comes as an open
> source bundle and will run on an inexpensive virtual web
> server. Total out
> of pocket expense to set up and operate a site (technically
> powerful enough
> for thousands) would be less than $100/year.
>
> The virtual space can mirror the face-to-face Open Space. The
> dynamic will
> be different. Depending on the participants, the virtual space
> may be a
> turn-on, ... or a turn-off. But with the right group of
> participants, I'm
> optimistic that Drupal with Organic Groups could be an
> effective virtual
> extension of Open Space.
>
> Bob Fabian - www.fabian.ca <http://www.fabian.ca>
>
>
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