oslist will end soon -- it's time to deliberate, decide and act
Harold Shinsato
harold at shinsato.com
Thu Dec 23 05:04:52 PST 2010
This is quite time delayed - but I'm starting to have some time to
work on this again.
Although just hosting the old files at a separate location might be
sufficient - I think it's still worth testing to see if we can keep
the transition looking seamless.
Let me see if I can run the conversion on the one month log file -
though ideally I would test with at least 2 months (to see how
incremental conversion works).
It'd be great to get Anthony Thompson's email as a resource in case
there are issues.
I don't know how you are with upload speeds - but I can set up some
FTP upload space rather than forcing CD burning and visits to the post
office.
Hope you're having a happy holidays. We return this channel back to
your regular non-geeky program threads.
Harold
On 12/1/10 5:03 PM, Michael Herman wrote: oh, okay, harold. that's
fine. i thought your previous message said listserv to listserv was
still the better option. i'm all for dumping it and going open
source. as an ordinary participant in this world, simply posting the
150 monthly logs with and index/search page would be enough.
so it seems the best way to go is the mailman route. now i also
remember seeing (and trading some emails with) a guy named anthony
thompson, who's posted steps for convernting listserv to mailman. he
might be a resource for you to tap. he was very willing to help and i
don't recall there was any huge cost associated with that help.
as for getting the log files, the total package is 277MB (as of this
morning) and 75MB if it's all zipped. logs go back monthly to 1999.
it'll have to come by pony express on a CD. right now, i have only
the one month's file, link posted in my earlier message. can you do
what you need to with that one, for testing? or with several copies
of it? if i get bsu to send a dump of the thing now, i suppose i
could get them to send the rest later. can you do this migration in
batches like that? anyway, tell me what you think works best and i'll
do it.
m
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On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Harold Shinsato
<harold at shinsato.com[6]> wrote:
Michael,
Just a few clarifications - switching to Mailman would keep our
archives as seamlessly integrated as they are now. It would be pretty
similar to a straight ListServe to ListServe port. The advantage is
that MailMan is free, has a strong user/developer base, and we would
have full control over the webhosting - so it is less likely we would
have to face this issue again of worrying about being homeless.
For OSList - we don't really need technical support after the port.
We'd just need whatever support is getting done now on OSList to
moderate the list membership. I don't know of any email list software
that can protect you completely from trolls and spammers without a
human being involved. If there are others willing to help with that
task - it would be straightforward to explain how to do that - even if
they're not technically oriented.
Harold
P.S. About porting archives to Mailman from Listserve - many people
have posted articles about how to do this. I'd be interested in
testing the porting process for the archives if you'd send me a link
to the zip file of the archive files I could test the porting process
and host the results so folks could compare. As convenient as it might
be just to go from ListServe at Boise to some other benefactor, it's
not clear to me that's necessarily the best option.
On 12/1/10 2:16 PM, Michael Herman wrote:
> looking back at what harold sent earlier, it seems that the option
> he's proposing is one way to go forward with a new, manageable,
> cost-free and ad-free(!) conversation. the archive part is
> included, but only as a separate part, meaning the new messages
> won't hit the old archive. we'd have an old archive and then start
> growing a new one, nearby. so the best option is still to find
> another "listserv" user/customer to host our list. harold's option,
> as he's noted, is a second choice -- but i'd say it's an excellent
> one.
>
> if we find another listserv host, we'll do pretty much nothing. the
> old guys will send all our stuff to the new guys, or maybe i'll be
> in teh middle of that, doing very complicated things like opening
> the envelope, repackaging and mailing to the new guys. if we go
> with harold's solution, we'll need him and perhaps others to do some
> techie things to make the archive work as an add-on (stand beside, i
> think) to the new list.
>
> as for harold's question about my continuing to support, i am glad
> to help get this set up, but i'm not likely qualified to do anything
> very technical. and going forward, i'd prefer to have others step
> into the list sheparding tasks (small as they might be). i have one
> query out to a possible host, and if that host materializes, then i
> will stay on to support that connection. otherwise, i hope others
> will take this on.
>
> m
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