Where did 2 1/2 days come from?

Peggy Holman peggy at opencirclecompany.com
Sun Apr 4 15:32:43 PDT 2010 

I remember a simple framing from Harrison when first learning about OST.  He said you can have a great conversation in one day.  A second day provides time for a sense of direction to emerge.  In 2.5 days, there's time to set priorities.  That characterization fits my experience.

I have either run or participated in a few OS's that were more than 2.5 days.  I find they are great for truly internalizing the law of 2 feet.  When explicitly invited to spend days and days in Open Space, people become more facile at paying attention to their own internal rhythm.

Peggy



On Apr 3, 2010, at 1:27 AM, Michael M Pannwitz wrote:

> Dear Doug,
> when I started facilitating os-events I was still employed by the Protestant Church of Berlin as an OD-consultant. Most of my work was with parishes and most of the participants were working folks who were able and ready to follow the invitation to an event that started
> -Friday afternoon (about 3pm and could go to 7pm)
> -Saturday all day but not before 10 am so people could still do their weekend shopping (the hours shops were open was much more regulated back then, 1996, then today)
> -Sunday, sometimes in the morning but often in the afternoon so that participants could attend worship services, get a lunch at the event at about 12:30 and stay until 16:30, enough to do a thorough Action Planning.
> So, thats how a 16 hour event spread over 3 days became fairly common in my first year (1996-1997) with 16 events in that year.
> There were shorter events (4 hours, 6 hours, 8 hours, a day and a half, etc.) but it was very impressive to see how "16 hours spread over three days, sleeping twice" differed from shorter designs, even from 16 hours (same amount of time) spread over 2 days, sleeping once.
> (By the way, "16 hours spread over three days, sleeping twice"  has long been the "formula" with the Future Search crowd).
> Later, when I worked with os all over, and also facilitated two full days and a half I could not really find those additional hours in the morning of the first day adding much to the os...half a day, a whole day and half a day seemed to work just perfect...it was also the only design where I never heard anyone saying in the Closing Circle "we should have had more time" or similar statements. These time related statements are always to hear in shorter designs.
> I have never been in an event or facilitated one that went over more than 3 days BUT I have heard of such events and as I remember folks involved in them felt that the additional time had not been needed.
> This seems to be supported by remarks in Closing Circles where people occasionally have said that now they are ready to go home and move on and that the time was just right or that they didn't feel they could continue..."happily exhausted", someone once said.
> I have read about longer os events in a brochure issued by the Peace Corps that used os in their trainings quite a while back...would not be surprised if they still do.
> The WOSonOS this year in Berlin employs a full 2,5 day design...and as far as I know that has been its design regarding the length for many years. The use of Action Planning in the last half day is now also being employed every now and then but I think was not part of the early tradition...it will be part of the design in Berlin.
> I see you and another 10 folks from the USA are coming...great opportunity to have a breakout session on that topic. Having a total of presently 126 people from 25 countries attending will definitely provide plenty of diversity not to mention High Play, High Learning und no small amount of Productivity and Fun!
> Here is the link for those of you wanting to see the updated information:
>> http://www.boscop.org/events/508-wosonos-2010
> 
> You are all invited to come!
> Greetings from springtime Berlin
> mmp
> 
> 
> 
> 
> douglas germann schrieb:
>> Hi--
>> Where did the idea for 2 1/2 days come from? Why not 4 or 5 or 3?
>> 			:- Doug.
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Peggy--

Thank you for restating what I had been trying to remember on what
happens after 1 day, 2 and 2.5.

It is interesting that people internalize the law after many days, that
a rhythm develops. I wonder about the collective unconscious and the
deeper things within the human species when we have longer observances,
and how that is perhaps parallel to what you are noticing here.

			:- Doug.

On Sun, 2010-04-04 at 15:32 -0700, Peggy Holman wrote:
> I remember a simple framing from Harrison when first learning about OST.  He said you can have a great conversation in one day.  A second day provides time for a sense of direction to emerge.  In 2.5 days, there's time to set priorities.  That characterization fits my experience.
> 
> I have either run or participated in a few OS's that were more than 2.5 days.  I find they are great for truly internalizing the law of 2 feet.  When explicitly invited to spend days and days in Open Space, people become more facile at paying attention to their own internal rhythm.
> 
> Peggy
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 3, 2010, at 1:27 AM, Michael M Pannwitz wrote:
> 
> > Dear Doug,
> > when I started facilitating os-events I was still employed by the Protestant Church of Berlin as an OD-consultant. Most of my work was with parishes and most of the participants were working folks who were able and ready to follow the invitation to an event that started
> > -Friday afternoon (about 3pm and could go to 7pm)
> > -Saturday all day but not before 10 am so people could still do their weekend shopping (the hours shops were open was much more regulated back then, 1996, then today)
> > -Sunday, sometimes in the morning but often in the afternoon so that participants could attend worship services, get a lunch at the event at about 12:30 and stay until 16:30, enough to do a thorough Action Planning.
> > So, thats how a 16 hour event spread over 3 days became fairly common in my first year (1996-1997) with 16 events in that year.
> > There were shorter events (4 hours, 6 hours, 8 hours, a day and a half, etc.) but it was very impressive to see how "16 hours spread over three days, sleeping twice" differed from shorter designs, even from 16 hours (same amount of time) spread over 2 days, sleeping once.
> > (By the way, "16 hours spread over three days, sleeping twice"  has long been the "formula" with the Future Search crowd).
> > Later, when I worked with os all over, and also facilitated two full days and a half I could not really find those additional hours in the morning of the first day adding much to the os...half a day, a whole day and half a day seemed to work just perfect...it was also the only design where I never heard anyone saying in the Closing Circle "we should have had more time" or similar statements. These time related statements are always to hear in shorter designs.
> > I have never been in an event or facilitated one that went over more than 3 days BUT I have heard of such events and as I remember folks involved in them felt that the additional time had not been needed.
> > This seems to be supported by remarks in Closing Circles where people occasionally have said that now they are ready to go home and move on and that the time was just right or that they didn't feel they could continue..."happily exhausted", someone once said.
> > I have read about longer os events in a brochure issued by the Peace Corps that used os in their trainings quite a while back...would not be surprised if they still do.
> > The WOSonOS this year in Berlin employs a full 2,5 day design...and as far as I know that has been its design regarding the length for many years. The use of Action Planning in the last half day is now also being employed every now and then but I think was not part of the early tradition...it will be part of the design in Berlin.
> > I see you and another 10 folks from the USA are coming...great opportunity to have a breakout session on that topic. Having a total of presently 126 people from 25 countries attending will definitely provide plenty of diversity not to mention High Play, High Learning und no small amount of Productivity and Fun!
> > Here is the link for those of you wanting to see the updated information:
> >> http://www.boscop.org/events/508-wosonos-2010
> > 
> > You are all invited to come!
> > Greetings from springtime Berlin
> > mmp
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > douglas germann schrieb:
> >> Hi--
> >> Where did the idea for 2 1/2 days come from? Why not 4 or 5 or 3?
> >> 			:- Doug.
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> > -- 
> > Michael M Pannwitz, boscop eg
> > Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
> > ++49-30-772 8000
> > mmpanne at boscop.org
> > www.boscop.org
> > 
> > 
> > Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 389 resident Open Space Workers in 67 countries working in a total of 139 countries worldwide
> > Have a look:
> > www.openspaceworldmap.org
> > 
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