Where did 2 1/2 days come from?

Sun Apr 4 05:07:08 PDT 2010

I think it just sort of happened as most other things in the evolution of
OST. In this case I think we all just realized that more than 3 days was a
little much. There have been OS's going on for 5 days or more, but I have
never been part of them. However I heard that effectively they felt like two
OS's with a day of rest in between. That is certainly not bad, but I guess
the judgment was that little new value was added. 

ho

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Subject: Where did 2 1/2 days come from?

Hi--

Where did the idea for 2 1/2 days come from? Why not 4 or 5 or 3?

			:- Doug.

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Michael and Harrison and all--

Thanks to both of you for your insight. You both say much the same
thing.

I am attracted to Michael's formula of 16 hours, sleep twice. (Plus
naps, of course!) I have done one this way and liked it. It makes a lot
of sense and fits with the schedules of people who are in community
work, as much of my work is.

Thank you!

			:- Doug.

On Sat, 2010-04-03 at 10:27 +0200, Michael M Pannwitz wrote:
> Dear Doug,
> when I started facilitating os-events I was still employed by the 
> Protestant Church of Berlin as an OD-consultant. Most of my work was 
> with parishes and most of the participants were working folks who were 
> able and ready to follow the invitation to an event that started
> -Friday afternoon (about 3pm and could go to 7pm)
> -Saturday all day but not before 10 am so people could still do their 
> weekend shopping (the hours shops were open was much more regulated back 
> then, 1996, then today)
> -Sunday, sometimes in the morning but often in the afternoon so that 
> participants could attend worship services, get a lunch at the event at 
> about 12:30 and stay until 16:30, enough to do a thorough Action Planning.
> So, thats how a 16 hour event spread over 3 days became fairly common in 
> my first year (1996-1997) with 16 events in that year.
> There were shorter events (4 hours, 6 hours, 8 hours, a day and a half, 
> etc.) but it was very impressive to see how "16 hours spread over three 
> days, sleeping twice" differed from shorter designs, even from 16 hours 
> (same amount of time) spread over 2 days, sleeping once.
> (By the way, "16 hours spread over three days, sleeping twice"  has long 
> been the "formula" with the Future Search crowd).
> Later, when I worked with os all over, and also facilitated two full 
> days and a half I could not really find those additional hours in the 
> morning of the first day adding much to the os...half a day, a whole day 
> and half a day seemed to work just perfect...it was also the only design 
> where I never heard anyone saying in the Closing Circle "we should have 
> had more time" or similar statements. These time related statements are 
> always to hear in shorter designs.
> I have never been in an event or facilitated one that went over more 
> than 3 days BUT I have heard of such events and as I remember folks 
> involved in them felt that the additional time had not been needed.
> This seems to be supported by remarks in Closing Circles where people 
> occasionally have said that now they are ready to go home and move on 
> and that the time was just right or that they didn't feel they could 
> continue..."happily exhausted", someone once said.
> I have read about longer os events in a brochure issued by the Peace 
> Corps that used os in their trainings quite a while back...would not be 
> surprised if they still do.
> The WOSonOS this year in Berlin employs a full 2,5 day design...and as 
> far as I know that has been its design regarding the length for many 
> years. The use of Action Planning in the last half day is now also being 
> employed every now and then but I think was not part of the early 
> tradition...it will be part of the design in Berlin.
> I see you and another 10 folks from the USA are coming...great 
> opportunity to have a breakout session on that topic. Having a total of 
> presently 126 people from 25 countries attending will definitely provide 
> plenty of diversity not to mention High Play, High Learning und no small 
> amount of Productivity and Fun!
> Here is the link for those of you wanting to see the updated information:
> > http://www.boscop.org/events/508-wosonos-2010
> 
> You are all invited to come!
> Greetings from springtime Berlin
> mmp
> 
> 
> 
> 
> douglas germann schrieb:
> > Hi--
> > 
> > Where did the idea for 2 1/2 days come from? Why not 4 or 5 or 3?
> > 
> > 			:- Doug.
> > 
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