Where did 2 1/2 days come from?

douglas germann 76066.515 at compuserve.com
Mon Apr 5 19:12:46 PDT 2010 

Harrison--

Hmmm....

"for one reason or another have chosen to repress."

"the real risk is to continue with the non-productive"

"You have nothing to lose but your chains."

Careful there, Harrison--sounds like the makings of a new book! <grin>

			:- Doug.

PS: Thanks for making such an evocative reply, Harrison.

			:- Doug.




On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 12:10 -0400, Harrison Owen wrote:
> Good wonderings, Doug. But I might suggest that you turn things around, or
> possibly upside down. Rather than  internalizing The Law of Two Feet (and we
> might also add the 4 Principles), I suspect that it is more a matter of
> remembering what we already know and for one reason or another have chosen
> to repress. All of this goes with the idea that Open Space is truly not
> something new and radically different. In fact it is a forceful
> confrontation with a pre-existing condition. We are already in Open Space by
> virtue of the fact that we have forever been in a self organizing world (the
> usual 13.7 billion years stuff). The Law and the Principles are descriptive
> of normative behavior in a self organizing world, and therefore Open Space,
> I think. In short, we do all of the above all the time -- unfortunately we
> usually feel guilty about it, and because of this, we tend to do it/them
> badly, or at least awkwardly and grudgingly. Thus with the Law: when faced
> with a nonproductive situation (no learning, no contribution) we always
> leave (hearts and mind out the window) -- but the body remains feeling
> miserable, and making others miserable as well. Once we get the picture,
> things work better, and we feel a lot better. But it is not about doing
> something new, or internalizing some new truth -- but rather remembering
> what we already knew and doing what we should/could have been doing in the
> first place.
> 
> Why bother with all this? Well if nothing else, I think it makes our job as
> consultants and facilitators a lot easier. First of all we are not inviting
> our clients to engage in risky behavior. Quite the opposite, we are opening
> a space in which they can really be themselves. And the real risk is to
> continue with the non-productive, guilt inducing, dependant behavior. The
> old Marxist Battle Cry might have some application here (with modification):
> People of the World Unite -- You have nothing to lose but your chains." In a
> word -- Be yourself!
> 
> Harrison
> 
> 
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> 
> Peggy--
> 
> Thank you for restating what I had been trying to remember on what
> happens after 1 day, 2 and 2.5.
> 
> It is interesting that people internalize the law after many days, that
> a rhythm develops. I wonder about the collective unconscious and the
> deeper things within the human species when we have longer observances,
> and how that is perhaps parallel to what you are noticing here.
> 
> 			:- Doug.
> 
> On Sun, 2010-04-04 at 15:32 -0700, Peggy Holman wrote:
> > I remember a simple framing from Harrison when first learning about OST.
> He said you can have a great conversation in one day.  A second day provides
> time for a sense of direction to emerge.  In 2.5 days, there's time to set
> priorities.  That characterization fits my experience.
> > 
> > I have either run or participated in a few OS's that were more than 2.5
> days.  I find they are great for truly internalizing the law of 2 feet.
> When explicitly invited to spend days and days in Open Space, people become
> more facile at paying attention to their own internal rhythm.
> > 
> > Peggy
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Apr 3, 2010, at 1:27 AM, Michael M Pannwitz wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear Doug,
> > > when I started facilitating os-events I was still employed by the
> Protestant Church of Berlin as an OD-consultant. Most of my work was with
> parishes and most of the participants were working folks who were able and
> ready to follow the invitation to an event that started
> > > -Friday afternoon (about 3pm and could go to 7pm)
> > > -Saturday all day but not before 10 am so people could still do their
> weekend shopping (the hours shops were open was much more regulated back
> then, 1996, then today)
> > > -Sunday, sometimes in the morning but often in the afternoon so that
> participants could attend worship services, get a lunch at the event at
> about 12:30 and stay until 16:30, enough to do a thorough Action Planning.
> > > So, thats how a 16 hour event spread over 3 days became fairly common in
> my first year (1996-1997) with 16 events in that year.
> > > There were shorter events (4 hours, 6 hours, 8 hours, a day and a half,
> etc.) but it was very impressive to see how "16 hours spread over three
> days, sleeping twice" differed from shorter designs, even from 16 hours
> (same amount of time) spread over 2 days, sleeping once.
> > > (By the way, "16 hours spread over three days, sleeping twice"  has long
> been the "formula" with the Future Search crowd).
> > > Later, when I worked with os all over, and also facilitated two full
> days and a half I could not really find those additional hours in the
> morning of the first day adding much to the os...half a day, a whole day and
> half a day seemed to work just perfect...it was also the only design where I
> never heard anyone saying in the Closing Circle "we should have had more
> time" or similar statements. These time related statements are always to
> hear in shorter designs.
> > > I have never been in an event or facilitated one that went over more
> than 3 days BUT I have heard of such events and as I remember folks involved
> in them felt that the additional time had not been needed.
> > > This seems to be supported by remarks in Closing Circles where people
> occasionally have said that now they are ready to go home and move on and
> that the time was just right or that they didn't feel they could
> continue..."happily exhausted", someone once said.
> > > I have read about longer os events in a brochure issued by the Peace
> Corps that used os in their trainings quite a while back...would not be
> surprised if they still do.
> > > The WOSonOS this year in Berlin employs a full 2,5 day design...and as
> far as I know that has been its design regarding the length for many years.
> The use of Action Planning in the last half day is now also being employed
> every now and then but I think was not part of the early tradition...it will
> be part of the design in Berlin.
> > > I see you and another 10 folks from the USA are coming...great
> opportunity to have a breakout session on that topic. Having a total of
> presently 126 people from 25 countries attending will definitely provide
> plenty of diversity not to mention High Play, High Learning und no small
> amount of Productivity and Fun!
> > > Here is the link for those of you wanting to see the updated
> information:
> > >> http://www.boscop.org/events/508-wosonos-2010
> > > 
> > > You are all invited to come!
> > > Greetings from springtime Berlin
> > > mmp
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > douglas germann schrieb:
> > >> Hi--
> > >> Where did the idea for 2 1/2 days come from? Why not 4 or 5 or 3?
> > >> 			:- Doug.
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> > > Michael M Pannwitz, boscop eg
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> > > mmpanne at boscop.org
> > > www.boscop.org
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> > > 
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